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Post by jordanearl on Sept 25, 2023 9:37:52 GMT -6
1. Ava 5-0 not much to say. Head of the class 2. Grove 3-2 Defense for Grove is nasty. Held Cabool to under 100 yards rushing. got to clean up the turnovers if they want a shot at a rematch with ava for District title. had a couple drives stall. 3. Cabool 3-2 Played good on defense and caused a couple of turnovers. very 1 dimensinal on Offense. they will live and die off their run game(which is nasty) Very Physical. good class 1 team. someone teach them how to kick and they could be 5-0 4. Thayer 3-2 the #2 spot is up for grabs. 5. Liberty 2-3 Can score against bad teams. strugging againt teams with a Pulse. But its Grove week. and you can guarentee the best Liberty will play all year will be in a few days. 6. Houston 3-2 Show up and compete against Ava and you can easily put them in the top half. but I see a schedule on paper that makes record look very deceiving. 7.Salem 0-5 I see their first and only win coming up 8. WS 0-5 not sure a perfect day can get them any wins, but this is only game i see a remote possibility
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Post by dew on Sept 25, 2023 13:00:20 GMT -6
1. Ava - Yep, stayin here 2. Grove/Liberty - this week's game will tell the 2 apart 3. Thayer - on the rebound, and the rest of the season will tell. 4. Houston - Losing to Thayer isnt a shame. But they drop below the cats this week. 5. Cabool - Losing to Grove no shame either, but they're starting to find more competition 6. Salem - Everyone can lose to Ava by that many, but they've played others closer 7. Willow - so, we are dropping someone off the schedule just not sure who yet. We were predicted to allow all those points. But now in talks with the Denver Broncos after yesterday
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Post by bmac on Sept 25, 2023 16:02:57 GMT -6
word is some boys quit today at ws....
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Post by mghs on Sept 25, 2023 17:06:02 GMT -6
Dang I was afraid that would Happen! I hoped the community would make a massive effort to support all the players to stave off this occurrence. Losing and no hope of success is a recipe for players to walk away.
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Post by BearUp on Sept 25, 2023 19:02:40 GMT -6
Dang I was afraid that would Happen! I hoped the community would make a massive effort to support all the players to stave off this occurrence. Losing and no hope of success is a recipe for players to walk away. I wonder if they would be best doing what Clinton did a few years ago and no play a varsity scheduled next year. They could try to build from the ground up with a JV only schedule.
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Post by eagletimer on Sept 25, 2023 21:59:09 GMT -6
word is some boys quit today at ws.... Man that sucks if so.
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Post by mghs on Sept 25, 2023 22:46:32 GMT -6
Dang I was afraid that would Happen! I hoped the community would make a massive effort to support all the players to stave off this occurrence. Losing and no hope of success is a recipe for players to walk away. I wonder if they would be best doing what Clinton did a few years ago and no play a varsity scheduled next year. They could try to build from the ground up with a JV only schedule. That is a option but once you do that I think that you have basically killed the program.... at a school the size of WS. Are juniors and seniors gonna wanna come out and play a JV schedule only on a Monday night? Put all that work in for a season of JV games? And will Seniors be allowed to play a JV schedule vs other SCA teams with a roster of 3/5 seniors 3/5 Juniors those players could really tilt a JV game? How long does WS remain a JV squad? How does that effect the rest of the Conference Scheduling wise? Now every AD not at WS in the conference has to find another Game to fill out the schedule or lose a game and have a bi-week. Really I don't know the answer..... it's a tough call. I've often discussed with my peers that Football could really be contracting program wise in small rural area's in the near future simply because of the contracting of school populations in our area's. I've heard rumblings that numbers are a issue across the SCA in the lower grades in other schools as well???
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Post by bmac on Sept 26, 2023 6:53:20 GMT -6
I said start of year they had no business playing varsity schedule.
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Post by bmac on Sept 26, 2023 6:54:30 GMT -6
on bright note new weight room is LEGIT! turf put down yesterday all done up nice. now if we have the kids to use it...
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Post by mghs on Sept 26, 2023 7:54:19 GMT -6
I said start of year they had no business playing varsity schedule. If you look at this as a one season problem then yes, but long term the ramifications of not playing a varsity schedule could actually extend the bottom dwelling of the program. Sometimes it’s better the swallow the bitter pill and begin the recovery as opposed to putting off taking the medicine and prolonging the illness and possibly letting it become a chronic never ending condition. The young players that remain will have been ran over this season but they will have gained a ton of valuable experience and been hardened up physically and mentally. The goal is they are motivated to work hard and by the time they are juniors and seniors they are competitive. If they had played a JV only schedule well let’s be honest the outcome on the Field might of been more psychologically damaging long term than getting pounded by a varsity schedule where the expectation is they our out classed.
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Post by jordanearl on Sept 26, 2023 8:28:18 GMT -6
I said start of year they had no business playing varsity schedule. If you look at this as a one season problem then yes, but long term the ramifications of not playing a varsity schedule could actually extend the bottom dwelling of the program. Sometimes it’s better the swallow the bitter pill and begin the recovery as opposed to putting off taking the medicine and prolonging the illness and possibly letting it become a chronic never ending condition. The young players that remain will have been ran over this season but they will have gained a ton of valuable experience and been hardened up physically and mentally. The goal is they are motivated to work hard and by the time they are juniors and seniors they are competitive. If they had played a JV only schedule well let’s be honest the outcome on the Field might of been more psychologically damaging long term than getting pounded by a varsity schedule where the expectation is they our out classed. their JV is also getting boatraced. so not sure playing a jv only schedule would have helped them much. what the team needs is numbers. getting the same 11 guys pounded on both sides is killing the numbers even worst. there is no reason every single willow player isnt playing. when we were there 2 weeks ago I seen several players that barely got any time. and they werent little puny kids who would have been killed.
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Post by BearUp on Sept 26, 2023 9:27:45 GMT -6
If you look at this as a one season problem then yes, but long term the ramifications of not playing a varsity schedule could actually extend the bottom dwelling of the program. Sometimes it’s better the swallow the bitter pill and begin the recovery as opposed to putting off taking the medicine and prolonging the illness and possibly letting it become a chronic never ending condition. The young players that remain will have been ran over this season but they will have gained a ton of valuable experience and been hardened up physically and mentally. The goal is they are motivated to work hard and by the time they are juniors and seniors they are competitive. If they had played a JV only schedule well let’s be honest the outcome on the Field might of been more psychologically damaging long term than getting pounded by a varsity schedule where the expectation is they our out classed. their JV is also getting boatraced. so not sure playing a jv only schedule would have helped them much. what the team needs is numbers. getting the same 11 guys pounded on both sides is killing the numbers even worst. there is no reason every single willow player isnt playing. when we were there 2 weeks ago I seen several players that barely got any time. and they werent little puny kids who would have been killed. I’m gonna assume most of the kids on their varsity should actually be playing JV but since they play varsity they won’t play JV. Does losing 60-0 every week really help you grow? The problem is numbers but getting boat raced in almost every game for several years doesn’t help numbers. These kids need some confidence and something to believe in. I feel like a JV only schedule would help the young guys develop better and gain confidence. Two years of a JV only schedule and then move back to Varsity.
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Post by jordanearl on Sept 26, 2023 10:21:58 GMT -6
factor in that most schools, after they jump up big on scoreboard. are essentially playing a jv game from that point forward. Salem will prolly be the exception. so if willow is utilizing their friday night blowouts, then there isnt a reason why every kid shouldn't be using all 6 quarters they have avaliable.
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Post by dew on Sept 26, 2023 12:03:27 GMT -6
Just got word that only 1 jv kid quit then decided against it. Coach told him to be at practice yesterday and apparently he wasn't. If anyone quit after last night's jv game I don't know it. My source said we'll have better info after tonight's practice to see how many are there.
"factor in that most schools, after they jump up big on scoreboard. are essentially playing a jv game from that point forward. Salem will prolly be the exception. so if willow is utilizing their friday night blowouts, then there isnt a reason why every kid shouldn't be using all 6 quarters they have avaliable. " - Thayer did this a lot under Webber and I agree we should. Some didn't like it but I definitely understood it. West Plains did that when a cousin of mine played and that was a roster of 70 plus kids head to toe. We did do that our first jv game and I don't know if we have since. I had an Ava mom tell me coach brought some juniors in to counter that and after halftime those kids along with ours were done, it was then jv vs jv. So in that case, did we gain anything?? Our jv did beat Cabool and a Houston split squad who also sent kids to Liberty the same night. They've been killed by Grove, Liberty, and Ava so they stand at 2-3.
"I've heard rumblings that numbers are a issue across the SCA in the lower grades in other schools as well???" - I've heard the same thing. I did see a fb post begging 5th graders to join mighty mites in Mtn. View? (I think, but if wrong I'll get corrected). I think we're still ok on numbers there but of course going through all my bad things haven't been able to catch up and see for myself.
I may the odd duck out (imagine that, lol) but I'm NOT in favor of doing the Clinton/Pleasant Hope thing. One thing that has always been said before this year is we gotta toughen these kids up. Well....... And it's easy to say right now we need this, this, or this and every bit would be right. I don't wish this on anyone. Unfortunately we've seen this in other towns before and unfortunately will again. I don't like the scoreboard and seeing what these kids are going through. But, we're over halfway through the season we've endured this much so....
Not just here but any town - Also call me crazy but I'd rather go through this than what these kids could also be doing. We have so many broken home/single parent households that these kids have nothing else positive but to play a sport or 2. It's VERY easy, at least in Willow, to see the difference in a kid doing an activity and one that is not. The ones who are not are into drugs, drinking, vandalism, online gaming with negative influences, you name it. The kids who are involved in a good activity and have some support have a way better chance (yes I know this isn't a 100% statistic) of staying away from those things than being dragged right in. If an 0-10 season and ugly scoreboard helps keep their lives straight and gives them a better chance at things after school, I'll go through it. I hate it, but I'll do it.
I'll quit rambling after this - we started with 34. We "dropped" to 42 kids. That never happens anywhere during a pathetic season. I really think this is going to be a 1 year thing. We're not going to be some big time turned around super power but I do believe we'll be ok.
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Post by bmac on Sept 26, 2023 12:28:29 GMT -6
when I said play jv schedule I didn't mean for now on I just ment this year an next if need he. as for kid or kids that did or didn't quit I didn't talk to a coach my daughter who is in high school an is close to one told her.
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