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Post by dew on May 10, 2024 8:48:03 GMT -6
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Post by jordanearl on May 10, 2024 10:52:25 GMT -6
LOL is the best response. they suck at almost everything.
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Post by dew on May 10, 2024 11:29:15 GMT -6
It seems we had this discussion many years ago when MIZ was in the B12 or just joined the SEC. We all said it wouldn't be feasible then. I hope for their sake they do ok but they haven't proven squat in the Valley. I'm also curious if Mizzou or Arkansas will have anything to say about this because there's now a D1 school in their backyards, would that affect any kind of recruiting? I don't expect that to be a problem at the moment but in today's world of NIL............
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Post by jordanearl on May 10, 2024 11:40:46 GMT -6
have you been to Plaster? its a dump. HS stadiums in TX are nicer and B12 to SEC was a power 5 to power 5. this is a jump to the big leagues. Realistically to compete in football they need to build a 50-60k capacity stadium with state of the art facilities. Plaster holds 17,500 Northwestern just did this, and it cost 800million. unless Bass Pro wants to pay for it, who would? Hammonds is long gone
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Post by dew on May 10, 2024 13:11:47 GMT -6
I have been by it but not in it. I've heard many say it's a dump as well. You also bring up a nice point about building a stadium. And if taxpayers in Jackson County said no for Arrowhead you can guarantee Greene Co or Missourians in general will say no if they want to try that route (not sure if legal or how this all works). It would take more than Bass Pro anyhow. And with Springfield being a basketball town you know there's not going to be many if any kids coming out of there to play. The state of Mo doesn't have many D1 recruits as it is whether blue chip D1 or D1 in general. I'm not against them going D1 I just don't see it working. May I be proven wrong
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Post by mghs on May 10, 2024 22:49:35 GMT -6
This is so laughable and it’s really a Bball move to get into a more prestige’s bball conference, but SMS they don’t deserve the name Missouri state, can’t even compete in the basketball conference they are in and their football is atrocious.
SMS a girls basketball school! Trying to compete in football!!!
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Post by BearUp on May 12, 2024 16:06:10 GMT -6
This is so laughable and it’s really a Bball move to get into a more prestige’s bball conference, but SMS they don’t deserve the name Missouri state, can’t even compete in the basketball conference they are in and their football is atrocious. SMS a girls basketball school! Trying to compete in football!!! I think this is actually a good move. No one respects FCS football in Springfield, most fans think FCS is the same as D2. They were just spinning their wheels in a rut staying where they were. Things weren’t gonna change. MSU would never be able to have a great FCS program due to that. I would actually consider the top teams in the MVFC to be better than most teams in CUSA. MSU is very similar to Western Kentucky, Middle Tennessee, etc. It looks like CUSA schools are getting $2 million per year from their media deal compared to the $0 MVC schools get from media. They should also get roughly $1 million more per buy game against P4 teams. If we’re gonna lose to a big school, we might as well get paid a few million for the game. “They don’t deserve the name Missouri State” sounds really stupid btw.
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Post by mghs on May 14, 2024 0:45:56 GMT -6
As a Grad of SMS I fully stand by my statement they have done nothing to earn that name. SMS pitched a Karen fit about how SMS was holding back their athletic programs and that a Name Change would elevate them to Mizzou status!!! Well they have not whizzed a drop in football or basketball since they changed the name and built new facilities.
I’m proud as a SMS grad to donate my hard earned cash monthly to Mizzou university and to give nothing to MSU cough cough!!
That university is ran by a bunch of girls basketball loving donors and alumni. Jeez I recall when President Keiser had to fight off the women bball/donors fans etc. who wanted the FCS football program to go D3 non-schollie …..so more money could be put into Women Sports!!! Like anyone but Parents/Grandparents and Old Folks care about Women's Sports.
And I had read that CUSA media deal was for 750,000 per year per team not 2mil. Maybe the article I read was older. Either way SMS is not going to be relevant in either sport because they cannot compete in the NIL and top flight talent doesn’t want to come to the Hillbilly university in the Ozarks and to make it worse the School won’t put up with some of the things you have to deal with to acquire urban talent to actually compete.
I have major doubts that the Move to D1 in football will some how create or convert all the Springfield and surrounding area Basketball fans to football fans. Look at how jenky and subpar the Springfield Public Schools are in Football and how the Programs are second fiddle to Basketball and Baseball. In truth the Springfield Metro area is just ate up with the Round ball always has been and probably always will be. That is why in the Ozark bowl it was a Team From the SCA and the Big 8 region who got the invite, cause a lot of the Springfield area schools had minimal interest or didn't even play football at that time.
In reality MSU/SMS should be D2..... because they are Closer to a Missouri Southern or a North West Missouri state athletically than a Power 5 program. At Least Semo understand their place in Division on Basketball and FCS football. The Bears clearly have no clue..... about how to ruin a athletic program.
Now as the academic side sure the Name change has had some benefit although I think they greatly exaggerate that as well what else can the do after they Fought so hard to become one of many MSU universities across the Nation. They are a Big Diploma Generator no doubt about that.
My favorite thing sometimes about Watching MSU on TV is when ESPN/Fox has listed them as Mizz st. LOL that is so wonderful it almost hurts.
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Post by BearUp on May 15, 2024 21:45:08 GMT -6
As a Grad of SMS I fully stand by my statement they have done nothing to earn that name. SMS pitched a Karen fit about how SMS was holding back their athletic programs and that a Name Change would elevate them to Mizzou status!!! Well they have not whizzed a drop in football or basketball since they changed the name and built new facilities. I’m proud as a SMS grad to donate my hard earned cash monthly to Mizzou university and to give nothing to MSU cough cough!! That university is ran by a bunch of girls basketball loving donors and alumni. Jeez I recall when President Keiser had to fight off the women bball/donors fans etc. who wanted the FCS football program to go D3 non-schollie …..so more money could be put into Women Sports!!! Like anyone but Parents/Grandparents and Old Folks care about Women's Sports. And I had read that CUSA media deal was for 750,000 per year per team not 2mil. Maybe the article I read was older. Either way SMS is not going to be relevant in either sport because they cannot compete in the NIL and top flight talent doesn’t want to come to the Hillbilly university in the Ozarks and to make it worse the School won’t put up with some of the things you have to deal with to acquire urban talent to actually compete. I have major doubts that the Move to D1 in football will some how create or convert all the Springfield and surrounding area Basketball fans to football fans. Look at how jenky and subpar the Springfield Public Schools are in Football and how the Programs are second fiddle to Basketball and Baseball. In truth the Springfield Metro area is just ate up with the Round ball always has been and probably always will be. That is why in the Ozark bowl it was a Team From the SCA and the Big 8 region who got the invite, cause a lot of the Springfield area schools had minimal interest or didn't even play football at that time. In reality MSU/SMS should be D2..... because they are Closer to a Missouri Southern or a North West Missouri state athletically than a Power 5 program. At Least Semo understand their place in Division on Basketball and FCS football. The Bears clearly have no clue..... about how to ruin a athletic program. Now as the academic side sure the Name change has had some benefit although I think they greatly exaggerate that as well what else can the do after they Fought so hard to become one of many MSU universities across the Nation. They are a Big Diploma Generator no doubt about that. My favorite thing sometimes about Watching MSU on TV is when ESPN/Fox has listed them as Mizz st. LOL that is so wonderful it almost hurts. Saying they belong in D2 tells me all I need to know about your opinions. They have more in common with the schools in CUSA than they do with any P4 or D2 schools. They’re with other schools who are very similar to them. No one is claiming they’ll be a power school or anything. I was mistaken on the tv revenue, it looks like tv revenue + money CUSA gets from the CFP totals around $2.5 million per school in the conference. They should also earn nearly $1 million more per buy game at a P4 school as well. They can also earn a decent payday from going to a low level bowl game. They need the money and that’s what this move is really about. They don’t need to compete with Mizzou and Arkansas, they need to compete against UTEP, WKU, etc which is doable. Moving to a slightly worse MBB conference should help give them a better path to the big dance as the days of mid majors receiving at large bids is over despite what the RPI/NET rankings say (see MSU in 2006, 2007 and Indiana State last year)
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Post by mghs on May 15, 2024 23:02:47 GMT -6
I'd rather SMS be competitive and have the ability to win on the gridiron and hardwood than to get a few more bucks to squander and waste and not be competitive in the Division they are in now.
I guess if your goal is to be Ark. St. or North Texas then it's the right move.
And soon the days of Mid-Majors even making the Dance will be over and getting paid to play P4 schools is gonna die as well or those payouts greatly reduced. All the P4 including the SEC are soon gonna go to a 9 game conference schedule and with the playoffs as a carrot they are going to strong arm the G5 schools into playing them without the massive payout's or any payouts at all.
The ultimate goal is for there to be 3 super conferences, as it appears the B10 is going to 20 teams if the rumors are correct and the SEC will follow that path as well to keep up. I'd say the ACC and B12 lose there best teams to the B10/SEC conferences then the left overs of the ACC and the B12 join together to form the 3rd super conference. Once that happens most of the G5 schools are gonna be locked out of most stuff and be even more irrelevant than now.
I recall with Slive the former Commish of the SEC talked about in Basketball having only P5 schools at that time making the Dance in the field of 64 and zero mid-majors.... Sankey has alluded to the same thing. The major Conference schools want the NCAA revenue from the Big Dance... the NCAA get's nothing from football at all, the bowl money TV revenue etc. is conference controlled. The NCAA organization is fully funded by the tourney in March. If the Big 3 conferences break away then all that Revenue can be split up between the 60ish teams in the Super Conference.
Jeez even the new Playoff system in football is Strong Arming Notre Dame into a Conference... Only teams that play in a Conference can get a Bye game!
This is all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$ and schools like SMS etc. have no business in the same league or competing against the Power Teams at all.
Saying SMS is going to benefit from being a bigger Nobody now than they was before because the get a few more bucks that won't make a difference in their ability to compete in College sports clearly tells me all I need to know about your Opinion.
Being a Big Fish in a Little Pound is better than being a small fish in the ocean. To put it another way SMS is a 5'5 blind guy trying to play Center in the NBA!!!
SMS could be a power house in D2 or in the FCS division if they would of tried to compete and commit to doing it correctly as opposed to hamstringing coaches Like Randy Ball ,BP & all the other Football coaches from acquiring D1 cast off's with character flaws and such that could of made SMS dang good. But NOPE the MSU administration doesn't want any of that type of stuff.
I can't see SMS rolling out super Hot Hostess for Recruits either and all that implies!!! Let alone making sure that the Local LEO are on board with keeping certain things under wraps.
I'm just a realist and if you can't compete in the football division your in now why move up and if you haven't competed in the basketball Division and conference your in now for years why pretend you will some day in another conference? I can't see how winning 1 or 2 games a year in football is going to help or being the same program in CUSA is going to elevate the program either.
SMS could of been a top program in FCS football but they hamstrung the program and worked against it to benefit SMS Basketball. So now they want to try and compete in D1 football? It's maddening. Wouldn't it of been great if SMS would of been a National Title winner in FCS multiple times.... they clearly could of been if they would of invested. They didn't but now they think they can get fans and the community to buy into the Losing at a higher level? Insanity. Frustrating, Stupid and Laughable.
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Post by jordanearl on May 16, 2024 7:14:31 GMT -6
Other then adding state to their last name, they are the same as Southeast Missouri , Northwest Missouri State, Missouri Southern. all they did was drop the direction from their name to try and look more prestigious. this move is going to expose them even more in football. their bball program has been a bottom feeder for as long as I can remember. so not much farther for that to fall
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Post by mghs on May 16, 2024 14:24:55 GMT -6
Gotta agree….
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Post by mosooner on May 28, 2024 11:50:41 GMT -6
There used to be a requirement that FBS football schools had a stadium that seated 30,000. I think they did away with that. But, they still have the requirement that they have to average 15,000 per game. I am not sure they ever draw that many, for sure they do not average that many.
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Post by jordanearl on May 28, 2024 14:11:59 GMT -6
There used to be a requirement that FBS football schools had a stadium that seated 30,000. I think they did away with that. But, they still have the requirement that they have to average 15,000 per game. I am not sure they ever draw that many, for sure they do not average that many. only way they hitting 15k is if they convince a P5 school to come to Springfield. and that extra 10k to watch the other team
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Post by mghs on May 28, 2024 22:20:33 GMT -6
www.texasfootball.com/article/2023/10/31/the-ncaa-announced-new-fbs-requirements-here-are-the-biggest-hurdles-for-fcs-programsYou don't have to meet the 15k requirement anymore..it appears. They should of made the entry fee higher around 25 million. Having all these low level Division 1 schools just brings down the brand and image. It's like if went to a Ruth Chris Steak House and ordered a Beer and they Brought me Natty Light... some programs just don't belong in Division One. Hopefully the B10/SEC/B12/ACC close ranks take the Money and let the dead weight survive on their own Merit as opposed to wanting to leach of the Producers of the $$$$.
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