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Post by mghs on Nov 22, 2021 2:36:51 GMT -6
I know that the Weather Conditions for the District Championship versus AVA where less than ideal for throwing the ball.....and I know some Mtn.View fans have alluded that the Air Raid offense is a bit of a issue come Playoff time because of the weather. So as the season gears down do you think in the future that MV might move away from such a pass heavy offense or is MV rise in success so tied to this system that moving away from it is unthinkable?
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Post by bonehead on Nov 22, 2021 7:52:50 GMT -6
As long as we have a staff that is connected to Acklin we will keep using a similar offense. And it will continue to produce great regular season teams that struggle against the big boys at the end of the year
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Post by bonehead on Nov 22, 2021 8:14:41 GMT -6
Also let me add that I am not calling for different coaches or going away from what we have been successful with. Just stating reality as I see it. It is not the worst problem in the world to have
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Post by dew on Nov 22, 2021 9:48:55 GMT -6
Every system is what every system is. I do believe however it seems a lot of teams from high school to Pros are going back to a more run oriented or more balanced offense. While I'm not a fan of the 5-wide spread every play offense there was a time it flew around non-stoppable (and we ran it as well) just like having years of Salem wishbone until it was figured out. And Liberty isn't 5 wide every play anymore just like Mizzou isn't either, they've adapted to the times a bit
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Post by bonehead on Nov 22, 2021 11:00:15 GMT -6
Every system is what every system is. I do believe however it seems a lot of teams from high school to Pros are going back to a more run oriented or more balanced offense. While I'm not a fan of the 5-wide spread every play offense there was a time it flew around non-stoppable (and we ran it as well) just like having years of Salem wishbone until it was figured out. And Liberty isn't 5 wide every play anymore just like Mizzou isn't either, they've adapted to the times a bit Contrary to popular opinion liberty has never been just 5 wide run and shoot concepts. It is about philosophy. Liberty has been based more on speed, getting on the edge, taking advantage of mismatches. And there is no doubt it works up to a point. Teams like Ava, Grove, Thayer, Lamar win with a different philosophy base. If Liberty was in Florida or So Cal their philosophy would be a better fit. But in a place where the weather always changes come the end of the season it is not as effective. Is there an example of a smaller school in Missouri that has won at a high level with libertys philosophy? Maybe but I sure can’t think of it. But you can easily name successful programs that are more based on run, physically dominating inside the tackles teams. |
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Post by dew on Nov 22, 2021 11:44:02 GMT -6
Agreed that Lib has had the most success for the size of school. While I don't know what every school runs I don't know of any school that has done this as long.
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Post by bmac on Nov 22, 2021 11:54:40 GMT -6
it is crazy to think aboot what if... no Lamar dynasty how man state banners would be hanging in the sca. I'd say several. same w Thayer an valley catholic.
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Post by eagletimer on Nov 22, 2021 12:26:43 GMT -6
We play with our strengths and the kids that come out. We haven't had a big bruiser RB since Daniel Porter. Any coach that came in here and changed up something with what works with the kids that come out to play would have us looking at 0-10 seasons again. Our next Coach when Kenaga retires may well be an Acklin. I don't see us changing any time soon.
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Post by bonehead on Nov 22, 2021 12:34:03 GMT -6
it is crazy to think aboot what if... no Lamar dynasty how man state banners would be hanging in the sca. I'd say several. same w Thayer an valley catholic. I will get myself in hot water with some other liberty fans but I don’t think it is a foregone conclusion that we win multiple championships without Lamar. I think we win 1 maybe 2. Thayer would prob have 1. But if my aunt well you know |
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Post by bonehead on Nov 22, 2021 12:36:28 GMT -6
We play with our strengths and the kids that come out. We haven't had a big bruiser RB since Daniel Porter. Any coach that came in here and changed up something with what works with the kids that come out to play would have us looking at 0-10 seasons again. Our next Coach when Kenaga retires may well be an Acklin. I don't see us changing any time soon. We have had more than just porter but he is a good example. We did not play to our strengths those years. I agree with you that it won’t change anytime soon |
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Post by thunderstruck on Nov 22, 2021 13:32:48 GMT -6
Just my thoughts for what they're worth. I believe it's more of a fact of physicality. For the past 13 years or so, Liberty has always had athletes all over the field. It's been more about speed then being physical and controlling the los. When it comes down to it, the Eagles HAVE to learn to impose their will physically late in the year. You need to have an amazing weight room ethic. You have to be willing to outwork everyone else when no one is looking.
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Post by lhstiger on Nov 22, 2021 21:58:48 GMT -6
It has been discussed some by those of us in Lamar over the years how many titles Liberty would have If not for the Tigers. Several people, including some that played on those teams think maybe 2, probably 2013 and 2015. Those were they years Liberty played us closer than the teams we played in the semis and finals.
2010 and 2011 Liberty would have had to beat Maplewood.
In 2012 a matchup with Blair Oaksin the finals would have been intresting, not sure how that would have turned out, but think Blair Oaks wins. we beat BO 69-41. They would have had to beat Caruthersville to get there.
2013 was probably one of Libertys best teams? We beat Lutheran South and Lawson easily after that.
2014 We played Strafford in quarters
2015 was the legendary 14-7 game in Mtn View where we had to come from behind to win. After that we beat Higgensville and Malden, neither game was close. Think Liberty could have won title that year
2016 No way would Liberty beat Trinity
2017 We beat Ava in quarters, then barley beat Lutheran North 7-6 in a driving rainstorm, then Higgensville in the finals. Dont think Ave beats LN but who knows.
2018 We lost to Lathrop after beating Ava. Lathrop got turbo clocked by Blair Oaks. Dont think anyone was beating BO that year
2019 Ava beats Lamar, loses in finals. Dont think we would have beat Lutheran North anyway, but who knows
2020 Dont think Liberty would beat St Pius.
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Post by mghs on Nov 23, 2021 3:01:39 GMT -6
Every system is what every system is. I do believe however it seems a lot of teams from high school to Pros are going back to a more run oriented or more balanced offense. While I'm not a fan of the 5-wide spread every play offense there was a time it flew around non-stoppable (and we ran it as well) just like having years of Salem wishbone until it was figured out. And Liberty isn't 5 wide every play anymore just like Mizzou isn't either, they've adapted to the times a bit Contrary to popular opinion liberty has never been just 5 wide run and shoot concepts. It is about philosophy. Liberty has been based more on speed, getting on the edge, taking advantage of mismatches. And there is no doubt it works up to a point. Teams like Ava, Grove, Thayer, Lamar win with a different philosophy base. If Liberty was in Florida or So Cal their philosophy would be a better fit. But in a place where the weather always changes come the end of the season it is not as effective. Is there an example of a smaller school in Missouri that has won at a high level with libertys philosophy? Maybe but I sure can’t think of it. But you can easily name successful programs that are more based on run, physically dominating inside the tackles teams. MV runs FB trap,QB trap, Jet, Jet with truck motion, Speed option, QB counter of Jet motion,QB draw,QB sweep etc. They have a run game and it can be hard to handle at times. But the threat of the pass is what drives the engine and as you noted bad weather can really impact that portion of MV game. Cameron back in the Day won class 2 a couple of times with a almost purely Pass oriented attack when Houston ended up in 2nd place. |
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