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Post by Bobcat61 on Feb 8, 2022 21:15:01 GMT -6
Thayer Bobcats beat the Ava Bears 54-42. Bobcats were down 9 at the half. Good win for the Bobcats.
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Post by dew on Feb 8, 2022 22:20:30 GMT -6
Willow 60 Grove 52, jv falls by 3.
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Post by oldhead on Feb 9, 2022 0:51:15 GMT -6
Thayer Bobcats beat the Ava Bears 54-42. Bobcats were down 9 at the half. Good win for the Bobcats. It was a tale of two halves. Ava led 23-14 at half and Coach Pitts made a great halftime adjustment by putting on the press to speed up the game. Bobcats score 28 points in the 3rd quarter and never looked back. Dalton was a beast for Ava. Missouri needs a shot clock in basketball in a bad way.
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Post by mghs on Feb 9, 2022 5:42:14 GMT -6
No...a shot clock limits the game to one type of system and favors the team with more talent by a wide Margin. I get it there are a lot of lazy coaches and players who don't want to play defense for a extended period of time, they don't have the fortitude or mental make up to play Defense for more than 45 seconds and the end up doing stupid stuff by committing fouls, but so be it that is why teams should be able to run a slow down system to exploit that.
A lot of teams today want to run and gun and maximize shot possession which is fine, but the game and it's rules should not dictate that. If the opposing coach and team have the ability to limit possessions, run a pattern offense and find easy open shots by maximizing the pass and dribble penetration off of defensive breakdowns then that should be a viable option to compete. Add a shot clock in and the game will begin to mirror the NBA and College. As they have reduced the shot clock and forced the pace of offenses the game has devolved into a 3pt shooting contest or a 1 on 1 drive to the Hole game mirroring a pick up game at the Y more than a actual structured sport. It highly favors the more physically gifted team and reduces the chances for Lesser talented teams to compete.
Long term that is bad for the sport at the high school level in general. And in truth it has hurt CBB and the NBA as rating's have dwindled each time they have forced the pace of the game to what we have today via the shot clock....exhibit A is look at MSU/SMS Spoonball would not be do able with todays shot clock it was a stretch with the 45 second one.
If high school teams have to play the up tempo shot clock variant then they are doomed to failure...and long term this will lead a lot of players to not even try to play the game. If you have a run of smart, easily coachable kids who are good shooters but not the most fleet of foot and you force them to play up tempo do to the Shot clock then your offense and defense will not fit the talent on the Roster. They will lose and not compete against the teams that are more athletic and thus many students will find outside activities that don't consist of getting offered up as sacrificial lamb during the season.
It would be like outlawing the Huddle or Option or making teams always be in the Shotgun with no under center QB's and teams must have so many WR out wide in the game of football. Basically you would be tailoring the sport to one type of system and one type of athletic talent.
Now with that said Bball isn't at the top of my list of favorite sports, although I do like to watch it and Root hard for Grove to win...but if the Powers that be who control the game hate the Idea SO MUCH of a more talented team getting out coached, out hustled and out smarted then by all means add in the Shot clock and watch Kids who don't fit a certain physical mold walk away from the games in Droves. That part would be Ironic and Somewhat satisfying to laugh at. Believe it or not most kids play a sport with the goal of winning and if they realize that they can't win well they usually find something better to do.
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Post by bmac on Feb 9, 2022 7:19:50 GMT -6
holy snikies how do you think of all that. that had more words than all the books I once read by the great Dr Sues.
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Post by jordanearl on Feb 9, 2022 8:33:48 GMT -6
With Ava losing to thayer it sets up for a possible 3 way tie for the conference. That is unless Willow beats Ava outright. Willow was playing some really high level ball a few weeks ago, but came into the MG tournament and is trending down somewhat.
Willow beat Grove by 8. the game was within a few points most of the game. couple MG turnovers in last minute derailed making the game much more interesting. then it turned into a free throw shooting ending
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Post by oldhead on Feb 9, 2022 10:51:03 GMT -6
I’ll tell you what’s not good for the game and that’s standing at the volleyball line dribbling four minutes off the clock cause you’ve got a small lead. And I’m not just talking about Ava, bobcats held for last shot with under a minute to play in the quarter a couple of times. Arkansas will have shot clocks next year in high school and I’d be willing to bet those games will be more exciting. If people lose interest in basketball because they would rather watch a dribbling exhibition near half court than a high paced fast action game then they are in the wrong sport anyway. Go play golf if you wanna take your sweet a$$ time.
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Post by mosooner on Feb 9, 2022 12:43:05 GMT -6
A shot clock would be the worst thing that could happen to High School Basketball. I love the contrasting styles. If you dont like someone holding the ball.. PLAY DEFENSE AND TAKE IT AWAY.
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Post by jordanearl on Feb 9, 2022 12:46:37 GMT -6
I can see the argument about not wanting a SHot clock. but watching a team dribble for over a minute is not basketball imo. it tells me the other team is better then you and the only way to keep them off the scoreboard is to not let them get many offensive possessions. so my version would be a 45 second clock
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Post by bonehead on Feb 9, 2022 12:57:17 GMT -6
Shot clock is much ado about nothing as far as I am concerned.
So if it is 45 secs, are there really many teams that dont get a shot off in that time already? Occasionally you will see a team hold it for a couple mins or more but that doesn’t happen much.
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Post by oldhead on Feb 9, 2022 13:17:40 GMT -6
A shot clock would be the worst thing that could happen to High School Basketball. I love the contrasting styles. If you dont like someone holding the ball.. PLAY DEFENSE AND TAKE IT AWAY. Why are we screaming? Bobcat defense turned it up in the 2nd half. That posterizing dunk Nicholson had was a perfect ending to a great game.
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Post by mosooner on Feb 9, 2022 13:27:36 GMT -6
Its not so much about any certain game as the whole thought. If a team is good enough to keep from turning the ball over for 2 minutes, so be it, let them. (not many are) I just appreciate the delibrate style as much as some that run up and down the floor.
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Post by oldhead on Feb 9, 2022 13:32:50 GMT -6
Shot clock is much ado about nothing as far as I am concerned. So if it is 45 secs, are there really many teams that dont get a shot off in that time already? Occasionally you will see a team hold it for a couple mins or more but that doesn’t happen much. So what if you were down by 2 with a minute to go and there was a 45 second shot clock? You no longer have to foul to get the ball back with a chance of being down 4 if they hit both free throws. So if you PLAY DEFENSE like mosooner said, you get the ball back with a chance to tie or take the lead.
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Post by mosooner on Feb 9, 2022 14:23:15 GMT -6
if you take the ball away from them, you will have the same chance.
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Post by bonehead on Feb 9, 2022 14:46:51 GMT -6
It will definitely impact end of game situations, but I just don’t think it is something to get upset over. I am fine with ot or without it. Coaches and teams will adjust
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