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Post by oldhead on Feb 9, 2022 15:37:00 GMT -6
It will definitely impact end of game situations, but I just don’t think it is something to get upset over. I am fine with ot or without it. Coaches and teams will adjust Not upset, this game was just another example in my eyes that it’s time for it to happen. There is a difference in teams wanting to take high percentage shots so they run through sets longer than most but playing stall ball in the 1st half is not good for the game.
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Post by mghs on Feb 10, 2022 6:50:58 GMT -6
I’ll tell you what’s not good for the game and that’s standing at the volleyball line dribbling four minutes off the clock cause you’ve got a small lead. And I’m not just talking about Ava, bobcats held for last shot with under a minute to play in the quarter a couple of times. Arkansas will have shot clocks next year in high school and I’d be willing to bet those games will be more exciting. If people lose interest in basketball because they would rather watch a dribbling exhibition near half court than a high paced fast action game then they are in the wrong sport anyway. Go play golf if you wanna take your sweet a$$ time. Stalling with a lead is smart coaching and Get's win's and how ADHD are people now that 4 minutes puts them on Tilt. Again this isn't about individual games it's about the sport as a whole. I'm not surprised that Ark......is going to a shot clock..I mean it's not like they are usually in the 40's education wise nationally. And ask yourself this will those games be more exciting when teams are being blown out by 20 or 30 in the first half? You will take away the chance of upsets between lesser talented teams against more talented teams. It will lead to a lot of blow out wins and not competitive games. So go ahead and explain away how uncompetitive blow outs are going to be more exciting. How reducing the chance of stunning upsets is more exciting?
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Post by mghs on Feb 10, 2022 6:51:45 GMT -6
A shot clock would be the worst thing that could happen to High School Basketball. I love the contrasting styles. If you dont like someone holding the ball.. PLAY DEFENSE AND TAKE IT AWAY. What? Play Defense? And force the offensive action? That is so mind blowing and outside the box?
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Post by mghs on Feb 10, 2022 6:56:46 GMT -6
I can see the argument about not wanting a SHot clock. but watching a team dribble for over a minute is not basketball imo. it tells me the other team is better then you and the only way to keep them off the scoreboard is to not let them get many offensive possessions. so my version would be a 45 second clock That's the point if a team is better than you and your only chance to win is to limit offensive possessions and try and win the game then that is what you have to do. It's no different that running the option in football and eating up all the play clock to shorten the games. Why would any high school kid want to invest time, effort and sweat in a sport where the rules of the game make it near impossible to win? And really if you loo at the history of basketball it was not about running and gunning! It was about passing and shooting. 4 corners offense, Princeton offense etc. this back street ball we got now is just that the art of the game is gone.
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Post by mghs on Feb 10, 2022 6:59:49 GMT -6
It will definitely impact end of game situations, but I just don’t think it is something to get upset over. I am fine with ot or without it. Coaches and teams will adjust Talented teams will adjust....lesser talented teams with a high basketball IQ and grit will be washed away. But as I said if the brilliant basketball minds want to make the sport even more elitist and exclusive then so be it. It's a dying game anyhow....Basically if you are not urban the NBA and CBB is rarely viewed or followed. This move will bring that down to the high school level as well.
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Post by mghs on Feb 10, 2022 7:06:34 GMT -6
It will definitely impact end of game situations, but I just don’t think it is something to get upset over. I am fine with ot or without it. Coaches and teams will adjust Not upset, this game was just another example in my eyes that it’s time for it to happen. There is a difference in teams wanting to take high percentage shots so they run through sets longer than most but playing stall ball in the 1st half is not good for the game. How is it not good for the game? Most High School basketball fans go and root for the team because of the community connection. Simple as that win and fans show up and are happy. Lose and Lose a lot and the fan base dwindles and the Support goes away and the pool of players shrinks. TV ratings and casual fans are not driving the sports. I seriously doubt that fans from any high school are going to go...I'm not going to watch the games any more cause we keep winning but I hate we are stalling so much!!!
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Post by bonehead on Feb 10, 2022 7:31:21 GMT -6
Lol you really over react on this topic. The game is not dying. You realize that many states have a high school shotclock already and it is going just fine.
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Post by oldhead on Feb 10, 2022 12:20:41 GMT -6
Starting to wonder if MGHS thinks they still play on a peach basket with no 3 point line. Shot clock is coming, only a matter of time.
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Post by oldhead on Feb 10, 2022 12:42:32 GMT -6
I’ll tell you what’s not good for the game and that’s standing at the volleyball line dribbling four minutes off the clock cause you’ve got a small lead. And I’m not just talking about Ava, bobcats held for last shot with under a minute to play in the quarter a couple of times. Arkansas will have shot clocks next year in high school and I’d be willing to bet those games will be more exciting. If people lose interest in basketball because they would rather watch a dribbling exhibition near half court than a high paced fast action game then they are in the wrong sport anyway. Go play golf if you wanna take your sweet a$$ time. Stalling with a lead is smart coaching and Get's win's and how ADHD are people now that 4 minutes puts them on Tilt. Again this isn't about individual games it's about the sport as a whole. I'm not surprised that Ark......is going to a shot clock..I mean it's not like they are usually in the 40's education wise nationally. And ask yourself this will those games be more exciting when teams are being blown out by 20 or 30 in the first half? You will take away the chance of upsets between lesser talented teams against more talented teams. It will lead to a lot of blow out wins and not competitive games. So go ahead and explain away how uncompetitive blow outs are going to be more exciting. How reducing the chance of stunning upsets is more exciting? Such a losers mentality, let’s give them all suckers and participation ribbons while we are at it. Yes, uncompetitive blowouts are far more exciting than watching a kid hold the ball near mid court the whole game.
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Post by bears79 on Feb 10, 2022 13:02:48 GMT -6
Stalling with a lead is smart coaching and Get's win's and how ADHD are people now that 4 minutes puts them on Tilt. Again this isn't about individual games it's about the sport as a whole. I'm not surprised that Ark......is going to a shot clock..I mean it's not like they are usually in the 40's education wise nationally. And ask yourself this will those games be more exciting when teams are being blown out by 20 or 30 in the first half? You will take away the chance of upsets between lesser talented teams against more talented teams. It will lead to a lot of blow out wins and not competitive games. So go ahead and explain away how uncompetitive blow outs are going to be more exciting. How reducing the chance of stunning upsets is more exciting? Such a losers mentality, let’s give them all suckers and participation ribbons while we are at it. Yes, uncompetitive blowouts are far more exciting than watching a kid hold the ball near mid court the whole game. I guess Coach Reed at Hartville has that losers mentality even those those three consecutive rings he just put on his hand says a different story.
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Post by oldhead on Feb 10, 2022 14:11:01 GMT -6
He’s one of the best in our area but doesn’t change the fact that I’d like to see a shot clock in varsity basketball. This was never intended to be directed at any particular Coach, Seigar is a great coach and that freshman of his will be a problem the next 3 years. Thayer has played that style for many years as well. As a fan I just think 45 seconds is enough time to execute a play for a high percentage shot.
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Post by bears79 on Feb 10, 2022 14:28:12 GMT -6
My point is, Hartville doesn't win 3 straight state championships without playing a slow down game. Why should they be punished with having to speed things up? Why not make the other teams learn to play defense for a longer period of time? Why is offense the only "exciting" part of the game? Should good or great defense not be rewarded as well?
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Post by jordanearl on Feb 10, 2022 14:31:20 GMT -6
should we also eliminate the play clock in football to give lesser teams a chance?
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Post by bonehead on Feb 10, 2022 14:47:14 GMT -6
Hartville won 2 state championships, not 3. And they didnt do it because of not having a shot clock. They did it because they played great defense and could shoot the lights out. They would have been successful in any set up you gave them
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Post by mosooner on Feb 10, 2022 15:00:52 GMT -6
Football play clock and basketball shot clock are two vastly different things.
The ball is IN PLAY the entire time the basketball clock is running. All you have to do is go take it away.
Its not a matter of a lesser team. You could make the arguement that it takes more skill to play a deliberate style and good defense as opposed to up and down, run and gun
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