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Post by bears79 on Feb 10, 2022 15:06:01 GMT -6
Bonehead, You're right, I misspoke when I said 3. And I will agree with you about great defense and could shoot the lights out. I will disagree with you about them not winning because of slowing the games down.
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Post by oldhead on Feb 10, 2022 17:36:18 GMT -6
8 states already use a shot clock with more to follow next year. Spin it however you want but a shot clock rewards the defense. It also prepares kids to go play at the next level, where you know, they use a shot clock. It would add excitement back and an emphasis on situational end of clock play.
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Post by mghs on Feb 10, 2022 19:57:49 GMT -6
Lol you really over react on this topic. The game is not dying. You realize that many states have a high school shotclock already and it is going just fine. Yes and participation is down nation wide…24,0000 less players.
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Post by mghs on Feb 10, 2022 20:01:24 GMT -6
Starting to wonder if MGHS thinks they still play on a peach basket with no 3 point line. Shot clock is coming, only a matter of time. I agree and the participation numbers will continue to decline…and then the built in fan base will shrink as will the sports popularity, you see it in the dismal TV ratings for college and NBA basketball. Make the sport more exclusive at the high school level and you lose future fans of the sport in general.
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Post by mghs on Feb 10, 2022 20:04:35 GMT -6
Stalling with a lead is smart coaching and Get's win's and how ADHD are people now that 4 minutes puts them on Tilt. Again this isn't about individual games it's about the sport as a whole. I'm not surprised that Ark......is going to a shot clock..I mean it's not like they are usually in the 40's education wise nationally. And ask yourself this will those games be more exciting when teams are being blown out by 20 or 30 in the first half? You will take away the chance of upsets between lesser talented teams against more talented teams. It will lead to a lot of blow out wins and not competitive games. So go ahead and explain away how uncompetitive blow outs are going to be more exciting. How reducing the chance of stunning upsets is more exciting? Such a losers mentality, let’s give them all suckers and participation ribbons while we are at it. Yes, uncompetitive blowouts are far more exciting than watching a kid hold the ball near mid court the whole game. How is that a loser mentality if you are smart enough and skilled enough to implement a system and beat a team with more talent, and take home a victory you deem that as a loser mentality?? What clown world do you live in where playing to a opponent strength and getting beat in a game that isn’t competitive is a winners mentality?
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Post by mghs on Feb 10, 2022 20:08:09 GMT -6
He’s one of the best in our area but doesn’t change the fact that I’d like to see a shot clock in varsity basketball. This was never intended to be directed at any particular Coach, Seigar is a great coach and that freshman of his will be a problem the next 3 years. Thayer has played that style for many years as well. As a fan I just think 45 seconds is enough time to execute a play for a high percentage shot. So clearly this is about you and not about winning or being competitive. It’s just about your ADHD as a fan. Got it let’s implement a shot clock to the detriment of teams,players and fans who want to win to satisfy oldhead!!!
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Post by mghs on Feb 10, 2022 20:11:27 GMT -6
should we also eliminate the play clock in football to give lesser teams a chance? Not apples to apples …you still have to make a first down without a play clock you could literally hold the ball all quarter with out the defense having a chance to make a play …in basketball you can start playing defense as soon as the other team has ball.
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Post by mghs on Feb 10, 2022 20:13:20 GMT -6
Hartville won 2 state championships, not 3. And they didnt do it because of not having a shot clock. They did it because they played great defense and could shoot the lights out. They would have been successful in any set up you gave them Versus Greenwood and other talented teams they stalled and they could do the other things as well but they limited possessions a lot
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Post by mghs on Feb 10, 2022 20:16:23 GMT -6
8 states already use a shot clock with more to follow next year. Spin it however you want but a shot clock rewards the defense. It also prepares kids to go play at the next level, where you know, they use a shot clock. It would add excitement back and an emphasis on situational end of clock play. The kids who will be harmed by the shot clock ain’t playing at the next level …sure for the talented athletic players it will help them all around! But for your average common kid it will make the sport unpalatable …I’d say the 24,000 kids who dropped out of the sport come from those 8 states!
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Post by oldhead on Feb 10, 2022 21:01:55 GMT -6
Starting to wonder if MGHS thinks they still play on a peach basket with no 3 point line. Shot clock is coming, only a matter of time. I agree and the participation numbers will continue to decline…and then the built in fan base will shrink as will the sports popularity, you see it in the dismal TV ratings for college and NBA basketball. Make the sport more exclusive at the high school level and you lose future fans of the sport in general. Not sure about you but I live in a world with a ton of fake news so where are you getting these numbers from that makes you believe the sport is losing popularity? And you blame it on the shot clock? Lol I watched a college basketball game a couple of nights ago that had 1.96 million viewers for a regular season game. The most viewed regular season game on ESPN2 since 2018. Can’t speak about the NBA because I do not watch professional sports anymore.
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Post by bonehead on Feb 10, 2022 21:32:09 GMT -6
Bonehead, You're right, I misspoke when I said 3. And I will agree with you about great defense and could shoot the lights out. I will disagree with you about them not winning because of slowing the games down. They beat Greenwood by playing slower. But if you look at all their scores that was hardly their normal game plan. They loved to run and get out in transition. They could to it all. And with a shot clock you can still play at a slower pace. Teams can utilize the whole shot clock and get good shots. Different college teams do it all the time. MGHS to attribute the lower number of kids playing to a shot clock is just dumb. I am sure with anything there is a variety of reasons why those numbers are what they are. Numbers ebb and flow in everything. Up and down. But the game of basketball is not dying. THe game of football is not dying. Things go thru cycles.
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Post by mghs on Feb 11, 2022 2:18:07 GMT -6
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Post by mghs on Feb 11, 2022 2:25:14 GMT -6
Bonehead, You're right, I misspoke when I said 3. And I will agree with you about great defense and could shoot the lights out. I will disagree with you about them not winning because of slowing the games down. They beat Greenwood by playing slower. But if you look at all their scores that was hardly their normal game plan. They loved to run and get out in transition. They could to it all. And with a shot clock you can still play at a slower pace. Teams can utilize the whole shot clock and get good shots. Different college teams do it all the time. MGHS to attribute the lower number of kids playing to a shot clock is just dumb. I am sure with anything there is a variety of reasons why those numbers are what they are. Numbers ebb and flow in everything. Up and down. But the game of basketball is not dying. THe game of football is not dying. Things go thru cycles. I don't contribute all of it to the shot clock...but making the game distasteful to a large group of less gifted players does have a effect and has had a effect on the game....strangely in CBB their has been a correlation of viewership decline with every reduction in the shot clock minus the introduction of the 45 sec. Which I was fine with at the college level. At the High school level, I'm against it over all as I do think it will make the choice easier for potential players to walk away and for whole programs to suffer and not be competitive for decades do to their genetic demographic. And yes Hartville didn't always play slow down..mostly they didn't because usually they was the more skilled and talented team on the floor....it was nice that they could implement that system though to win .....WHY take that away. Why take away a whole offensive system that benefits less gifted players and allows them to win with savvy,skill and intellect? While numbers ebb and flow cycle as you say...in High School sports the numbers decline is becoming steady.
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Post by oldhead on Feb 11, 2022 3:26:39 GMT -6
Let me get this straight, you are grabbing the 24k decline number from an article written in 2019? Do you realize that in 2017-2018 it was a record high year for number of participants in high school sports? So of course you are going to see a decline following a record year. I mean if you don’t see that when you pointed that out you basically conceded victory to my point!
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Post by jordanearl on Feb 11, 2022 11:33:18 GMT -6
Grove knocks off Cabool by 8 . plays winless Salem at home Friday night
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