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Post by dew on Nov 22, 2022 8:22:15 GMT -6
With the banter going on about Cabool, and the sca being mostly down this year. I'm curious as to what you all think should happen for the conference as a whole during the offseasons to get us better.
Add someone to the conference to make us all better? (should anyone be available)
Have more weight meets if they still exist in the winter to get everyone stronger and earn rewards for it?
Many SCA schools used to have wrestling and it's came back to West Plains who is thriving in boys and girls for the non-basketballers. Helps physicality and techniques. Thoughts on that?
Any thoughts on these or other suggestions?
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Post by griswold on Nov 22, 2022 8:31:30 GMT -6
Do SCA teams have a youth football league? I think this plays into one of the things that make Lamar's program successful. The 3-6 graders play in a league with teams from Joplin, Webb City, Carl Junction, Neosho, and some other cities. I don't follow the youth football team to know the records, but competing against those larger communities I think helps develop the mindset that the players feel they can compete with anyone.
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Post by mosooner on Nov 22, 2022 9:05:55 GMT -6
Having a youth program is huge. I agree. and who cares who wins? Get those kids learning fundamentals, thats what its really all about. Let them learn the game and have fun. Get the coaches and kids involved. Not saying coaches have to coach, but show the youth coaches the basics of what you do offensively and defensively so the kids can learn. Get the players to show interest. Get them to talk to the little guys. Have them run chains and such at the games. Some of these things are small but they can have an impact. You may already be doing this stuff.
I think being involved in other sports is huge as well as is commitment to the weight room. I am sure no expert, my school is not exactly a traditional power. As far as the league as a whole, I think you are just being too hard on yourself. Sometimes its just a down cycle. The SCA is still very well respected and is known to bring teams that will get after it.
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Post by dew on Nov 22, 2022 9:18:17 GMT -6
Do SCA teams have a youth football league? I think this plays into one of the things that make Lamar's program successful. The 3-6 graders play in a league with teams from Joplin, Webb City, Carl Junction, Neosho, and some other cities. I don't follow the youth football team to know the records, but competing against those larger communities I think helps develop the mindset that the players feel they can compete with anyone. We have mighty mite football, but they don't tackle in 1st/2nd grade anymore. Our kids only play 4 or 5 games vs other towns and sometimes their own town's 2nd team if they have one. This year Willow played Salem, Houston, Cabool, Grove and Liberty. |
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Post by hsfooballguy on Nov 22, 2022 13:31:59 GMT -6
Its not just the SCA but all over, teams have lost the Physicality they used to show. So many teams have gone to more of a finesse game. The three most physical teams I saw all year, were: Reeds Spring, Seneca, and Lamar. They just beat people up and all three are still playing.
The SCA for years was know for that kind of stuff. Not saying the league is soft as a whole, at all, dont get me wrong. But get back to that kind of football and things will change, in my opinion.
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Post by mghs on Nov 22, 2022 23:22:15 GMT -6
Grove has Youth Football through the YMCA...with most of the SCA schools do as well...except Thayer although they have youth football. I don't know about each individual town but I know that we have Players who coach teams at times.
They start in Flag and transition to contact in 3rd grade which is IMO fine... Not sure First and Second graders get much out of Wearing Pads at that early age. Back in the 80's first and Second graders didn't play contact football in Grove we started 3rd grade as they do now. Can't speak for other towns.
I agree the game has evolved to more of a finesse style, and some of that is good as it get's your athletes involved. But it does have it's downside as well because a culture of not being physical can set in. A middle ground can be found.
I didn't know anyone outside of WP had Wrestling.... I've always wanted that in Grove as I think it's a big benefit to the Football program. But let's be real getting wrestling programs started across the board in the SCA would be tough!!! Numbers are a huge issue now. Look at how many Junior High teams in the SCA are having problems fielding 7th and 8th grade Football and Bball programs in the SCA. WS/Houston/Salem have all had those issues of late. Games of been cancelled and split squads etc. Getting a movement for another sport that could take away players from other sports probably is a no go.
I would like to see the SCA weight meet come back it's been defunct for a decade or more now... but as I recall not all teams wanted to compete in that either. Usually WS/Salem/Grove was all in. MV never showed or Thayer either. Cabool and Houston was hit and miss.
At the end of the day a lot of this really rest on the Parents of the Students and the Students themselves in the SCA. Just how committed to Football are they and how much will they push their Johnny and Joey to be a high achiever on the Gridiron and how much with the J&J push themselves. Will they insist they not quit and show up to all the off season work outs and not miss camps and will the J&J follow through and thrive? Or will they look at football like game night, something to do but not invest to much time and effort in?
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Post by dew on Nov 23, 2022 8:10:37 GMT -6
By the tall one . "I didn't know anyone outside of WP had Wrestling.... I've always wanted that in Grove as I think it's a big benefit to the Football program."
I've heard many stories of the late 70's/early 80's of Willow wrestlers going to state. Yet of all the banners and things that ever hung in the gym it's never mentioned. When West Plains started it up again some were talking about it during basketball season and I forget who but a board member or admin one said don't even bring it up. Something either happened or they just don't want to take away from basketball. Yes it's harder to find athletes but especially our jr high most years we have 25 kids on the bench for basketball and you can only put 5 on the floor at a time. Then the coach has to hear it from 20 other parents why little jimmy ain't playing. Wrestling imo could deter that. It would make some kids stronger and more physical for football, better hitters in baseball, better on the throwing/hurdling sports in track.
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Post by chs95 on Nov 23, 2022 12:14:40 GMT -6
A quick thought, my son plays football, basketball, baseball. There are a lot of resources for offseason basketball training retired coaches etc offering group training, one-on-one you name it. We have taken advantage of this and it has helped him improve. Nothing for football, if there was clinics or training available for football skills I would definitely send him if he was willing. I'm not a coach and I don't pretend to be other than some baseball, so I'm willing to pay someone that has the skills to help him.
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Post by mghs on Nov 23, 2022 18:36:16 GMT -6
I thought in Springfield that there was individual football trainers. I might be mistaken…
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Post by chs95 on Nov 28, 2022 14:13:26 GMT -6
There maybe some in Springfield and I know that is not to far away, but basketball lessons are as close as MG, Mansfield, West Plains.
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Post by mghs on Nov 29, 2022 0:54:32 GMT -6
That is strange because the SCA has always been more football centric than Bball oriented. I know WS is a Bball school and some Houston people lean that way but outside of that Most Schools appear to be Football First.
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Post by chs95 on Nov 29, 2022 12:44:52 GMT -6
I think there would be a good opportunity for some coach to earn some money around here. One of the basketball lessons is with a retired coach, the other is a coach that left high school coaching and just has his own training business now.
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