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Aug 20, 2023 18:04:55 GMT -6
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Post by mghs on Aug 20, 2023 18:04:55 GMT -6
I’m looking for dew at Panther Stadium …a true WS fan would be here by now!!! Emergency stop at Club 60 first  then I went. Didn't see you at all  Was on field the up top… I didn’t do much hob nobbing around still in walking boot from Achilles tendon tear and surgery. |
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Aug 20, 2023 18:19:26 GMT -6
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Post by mghs on Aug 20, 2023 18:19:26 GMT -6
I didnt see what you did with Houston. Thayer and Grove were the best teams there IMO. Willow. Ummm Yeah that was bad. What did they give up 15 TDs in 3 sessions? 10 if I counted right. It's gonna be a rough 2023 guys we know it. We knew it at the end of last year and at during the offseason when the upperclassmen were begged to play. This aint college/NIL so we can bribe them... Grove went through this just a few years ago. Others have before. We did in 93-94. I hate it for anyone. I'm going to take one, and only one positive from this besides everyone being healthy - I've seen stories before about schools a class or 2 bigger than us dropping down to jv only schedules (Pleasant Hope, Clinton for example and I've heard even bigger schools but no comfirmation) and trying to get wins that way. Our youngsters are playing varsity ball with what should be a jv team. Please give them credit for that. They're still kids, it's still football for what it's worth. It won't be enjoyable in the win/loss column and game scores. I just want to see player development and the will to learn to judge this season. We do have 35 kids so at least some are willing You have to respect the players who are representing WS and putting in the work and effort. No doubt many know what is coming and are willing to solider forth for the love of the game and competition. What they are doing is harder than a talented having goals and striving for titles. That deserve everyone’s due regard in the conference cause it would be so much easier to quite and walk away. It has become the norm.And the Willow 35 are standing tall and fighting for wins bucking the national trend of kids quitting!!! And no doubt WS is playing a JV team vs Varsity squads at this point. And yes Grove went through that a few years ago. But the difference I see is that WS doesn’t appear to have any actual young superior talent on the Varsity or JV. Grove had some young sophomore and Freshman who had talent and even though we went O’fer that year we competed against Ava,Salem,Strafford etc. often for a couple of quarters till their talent and experience won out. I seriously doubt that WS will be competitive in any games this season. Although I could be wrong. |
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Post by dew on Aug 21, 2023 7:24:14 GMT -6
Yes you guys did compete. Even when we broke our 15? year losing streak to you guys with that class the score was very close. We do have some talent in some classes coming. But they gotta stay here and not move away along with stay interested. I do believe we got the people now to keep interest going. We gotta keep them here as well...
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Post by jordanearl on Aug 22, 2023 8:37:24 GMT -6
Yes you guys did compete. Even when we broke our 15? year losing streak to you guys with that class the score was very close. We do have some talent in some classes coming. But they gotta stay here and not move away along with stay interested. I do believe we got the people now to keep interest going. We gotta keep them here as well... and convince the rest of the town and kids that Willow isnt only a basketball school. |
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Post by dew on Aug 22, 2023 9:29:46 GMT -6
Yes you guys did compete. Even when we broke our 15? year losing streak to you guys with that class the score was very close. We do have some talent in some classes coming. But they gotta stay here and not move away along with stay interested. I do believe we got the people now to keep interest going. We gotta keep them here as well... and convince the rest of the town and kids that Willow isnt only a basketball school. Those words don't fit MY vocabulary |
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Post by bmac on Aug 24, 2023 20:09:09 GMT -6
ws should play jv schedule these freshman an sophomores are not equipped to play the likes of grove ,ava, an massive liberty teams. I'm sorry but I think it stupid. get head taken off every play your not gonna come back the next year. that's why several didn't this season. try an build program back up instead of putting in jeopardy of not having one at all.
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Post by dew on Aug 25, 2023 6:52:24 GMT -6
ws should play jv schedule these freshman an sophomores are not equipped to play the likes of grove ,ava, an massive liberty teams. I'm sorry but I think it stupid. get head taken off every play your not gonna come back the next year. that's why several didn't this season. try an build program back up instead of putting in jeopardy of not having one at all. I get your points my friend and yes it's a concern. But I remember you had to play some as a freshman when building the program. In 93/94 Coach Ary had to play a LOT of freshmen, still won a game or 2, and by 96 they were SCA champs. If you play a jv only schedule then some schools will throw a fit about our 4 upperclassmen being on the team and some wont even let them play to finish out their hs football careers. There is no right answer to any of this and it sucks. This is the part I'm sure I will get backlash on (from school folks not across this board) - how about addressing the fact that these 2 two classes of kids quit participating in anything once they became high schoolers? And its both boys AND girls. Why didn't the school, the parents, or both get keep them active and interested? I was just talking to a grandparent of a band kid, we don't even have upperclassmen in that! I'm hearing it's not sports but club activities as well. They've abandoned their teammates (the ones still willing to play) and it's wrong. I'll support any of the 6 or 7 seniors out of 100 left doing anything but that's as far as supporting the class is concerned. I've had enough. I probly shouldn't ramble on here but it's the times we have now. We're not the only school that's gone through this, and we won't be the last. We just gotta endure it whether enjoyed or not. |
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Aug 25, 2023 6:58:22 GMT -6
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Post by bmac on Aug 25, 2023 6:58:22 GMT -6
freshman year few of us were at a varsity level that's main reason we played.
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Aug 25, 2023 10:29:10 GMT -6
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Post by mghs on Aug 25, 2023 10:29:10 GMT -6
A larger portion of Kids just want to lay around troll the social media and indulge their every whim expecting their parents and society to foot the bill. Sports or any other extracurricular activity often involves some time and effort. It’s much easier to lay around drink energy drinks and whine and moan on SM about climate change and how they are oppressed and not understood!!
Of course parents are to blame as well as they allow these character traits to manifest and then take root as opposed to doing the hard work and fight the battles and actually set boundaries.
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Aug 25, 2023 11:55:46 GMT -6
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Post by oldhead on Aug 25, 2023 11:55:46 GMT -6
A larger portion of Kids just want to lay around troll the social media and indulge their every whim expecting their parents and society to foot the bill. Sports or any other extracurricular activity often involves some time and effort. It’s much easier to lay around drink energy drinks and whine and moan on SM about climate change and how they are oppressed and not understood!! Of course parents are to blame as well as they allow these character traits to manifest and then take root as opposed to doing the hard work and fight the battles and actually set boundaries. End of Rant… Well said and I completely agree. Parents give their kids phones and video games to keep them occupied but imo they are giving them the wrong tools to be successful in life. |
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Aug 25, 2023 12:23:41 GMT -6
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Post by bmac on Aug 25, 2023 12:23:41 GMT -6
it's ruined the youth. no video games in my house an no cell tell in high-school.
I just hate to see it all goin down so bad in town I love.
on the bright side field looks really good for opening night!
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Aug 25, 2023 18:52:21 GMT -6
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Post by mghs on Aug 25, 2023 18:52:21 GMT -6
I hate it as well for WS And other schools as well. Even as much as I enjoy gigging Dew, I’d much rather WS have a credible program than to watch it fall apart. I will say this as well the Community as a whole is part of the equation in participation and the over all health of a program.
Clearly while some fans in WS are bought in to football over all it appears it’s not of high importance across the spectrum as a whole.
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Post by bonehead on Aug 27, 2023 11:55:30 GMT -6
ws should play jv schedule these freshman an sophomores are not equipped to play the likes of grove ,ava, an massive liberty teams. I'm sorry but I think it stupid. get head taken off every play your not gonna come back the next year. that's why several didn't this season. try an build program back up instead of putting in jeopardy of not having one at all. I get your points my friend and yes it's a concern. But I remember you had to play some as a freshman when building the program. In 93/94 Coach Ary had to play a LOT of freshmen, still won a game or 2, and by 96 they were SCA champs. If you play a jv only schedule then some schools will throw a fit about our 4 upperclassmen being on the team and some wont even let them play to finish out their hs football careers. There is no right answer to any of this and it sucks. This is the part I'm sure I will get backlash on (from school folks not across this board) - how about addressing the fact that these 2 two classes of kids quit participating in anything once they became high schoolers? And its both boys AND girls. Why didn't the school, the parents, or both get keep them active and interested? I was just talking to a grandparent of a band kid, we don't even have upperclassmen in that! I'm hearing it's not sports but club activities as well. They've abandoned their teammates (the ones still willing to play) and it's wrong. I'll support any of the 6 or 7 seniors out of 100 left doing anything but that's as far as supporting the class is concerned. I've had enough. I probly shouldn't ramble on here but it's the times we have now. We're not the only school that's gone through this, and we won't be the last. We just gotta endure it whether enjoyed or not. Take a look at Thayers roster. They have 3 seniors, and the majority of kids on their roster are freshman and sophomores. Yet they are going to have a very competitive team. Every small school around goes thru the battle of classes that are just not interested in athletics or other activities. It is just part of the deal. Good programs and good cultures work thru them and keep going. But that is the heart of the problem that you refuse to see. There is a much deeper problem at work in the Willow Football team. |
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Post by mghs on Aug 27, 2023 22:19:34 GMT -6
Culture is important for Football more than any other sport!!! Thayer getting the stud Basketball player out who had 60 jillion dunks last year to play QB is because of Culture and the community understanding the importance of all the athletes playing sports at schools the size of the SCA members.
Culture comes from the Community and the School administration as much or more than a coach. Coaches come and go they cannot sustain a Culture, sure they can start the building process but eventually they leave, retire or are fired... so the community and administration has to make sure that Football is a priority. The shear volume of players needed to compete in football makes a strong culture a necessity.
If you have parents and community members who just roll over and say that Hey if a Kid doesn't want to play he shouldn't as opposed to taking the approach of go out and Play and Buy in and if the Sport isn't fun for you after a season or two then walk-away. In todays society a lot of adults make it easy and attractive to quit and then those same Adults then gripe about kids not having a work ethic or toughness and grit.
Dew I so feel for you and the other Hardcore Ws football fans and I know there are several hundred, but you have to have more than that to thrive on the Gridiron. I know I've busted your chops about WS being a Bball school forever and without a doubt it's true. So many of your athletes tend to walk away from the Football field and focus on basketball. Jeez you even have a few guys who are way better football players than Bball players focus on Basketball.... that happens at every school we have 3 in Grove doing that right now. They are way more physically gifted as football players than as hoopers.... but WS has that in most every class it seems.
I don't know the answer really to fix WS football issues... but I know it's a concern. Maybe WS will have two super classes in a row who are 100% football bought in and that way you can build something!!
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then I went. Didn't see you at all 
