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Post by jordanearl on Nov 6, 2023 8:04:33 GMT -6
Ava may disagree, but I thought FG was the best team we faced all year.
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Post by eagletimer on Nov 6, 2023 8:48:10 GMT -6
I think when I wrote that it was all on Pruetts shoulders it was apparent that I meant FG was a better rounded team. And I think it was apparent I was agreeing with you, but whatever.....
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Post by slomo on Nov 7, 2023 9:59:27 GMT -6
I know it seems like Liberty fans are pissing in your cheerios, and maybe to an extent we are. But yeah, I think if you're fortunate enough to get to Seneca it ain't gonna be close. I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who thinks Ava can compete with Seneca based on any metric. But the great thing is, Ava can prove the haters wrong. But there isn't any metric on paper or film that says Ava can compete. In fact, keeping it within 3 scores would be a surprise in my book. Would be happy to eat my words. I can see how it would be annoying to constantly hear from MG and LHS fans that "the conference is down" every time the Panters and Eagles aren't as good as they have been. But I think this Ava team is a year away from realistically competing against a team like Seneca. When compared to conferences like the KCI, or the C1-C3 conferences in NEMO, the SCA is just not be competitive right now.
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Post by jordanearl on Nov 7, 2023 10:59:21 GMT -6
I know it seems like Liberty fans are pissing in your cheerios, and maybe to an extent we are. But yeah, I think if you're fortunate enough to get to Seneca it ain't gonna be close. I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who thinks Ava can compete with Seneca based on any metric. But the great thing is, Ava can prove the haters wrong. But there isn't any metric on paper or film that says Ava can compete. In fact, keeping it within 3 scores would be a surprise in my book. Would be happy to eat my words. I can see how it would be annoying to constantly hear from MG and LHS fans that "the conference is down" every time the Panters and Eagles aren't as good as they have been. But I think this Ava team is a year away from realistically competing against a team like Seneca. When compared to conferences like the KCI, or the C1-C3 conferences in NEMO, the SCA is just not be competitive right now. curious what kind of teams have to be doing good to be considered an up year.
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Post by jordanearl on Nov 7, 2023 11:03:13 GMT -6
I know it seems like Liberty fans are pissing in your cheerios, and maybe to an extent we are. But yeah, I think if you're fortunate enough to get to Seneca it ain't gonna be close. I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who thinks Ava can compete with Seneca based on any metric. But the great thing is, Ava can prove the haters wrong. But there isn't any metric on paper or film that says Ava can compete. In fact, keeping it within 3 scores would be a surprise in my book. Would be happy to eat my words. I can see how it would be annoying to constantly hear from MG and LHS fans that "the conference is down" every time the Panters and Eagles aren't as good as they have been. But I think this Ava team is a year away from realistically competing against a team like Seneca. When compared to conferences like the KCI, or the C1-C3 conferences in NEMO, the SCA is just not be competitive right now. Biggest issue Ava will have is that they are way to 1 dimensional.
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Post by mghs on Nov 7, 2023 23:04:55 GMT -6
Ava Flexbone offense is fine unless they face a team with overwhelming talent, Ava made the State title game in that offense. Any team is in trouble if they face a team with superior talent unless that team is poorly coached. Last year MV was 2 dimensional and faced a better Seneca team who is pretty one dimensional as well. Sure they throw a bit but they are pretty run heavy. Webb won a bunch of titles in the Veer... Lamar won a bunch of titles in their Spinner QB offense which was run heavy under Bailey.
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Post by jordanearl on Nov 8, 2023 8:17:11 GMT -6
Ava Flexbone offense is fine unless they face a team with overwhelming talent, Ava made the State title game in that offense. Any team is in trouble if they face a team with superior talent unless that team is poorly coached. Last year MV was 2 dimensional and faced a better Seneca team who is pretty one dimensional as well. Sure they throw a bit but they are pretty run heavy. Webb won a bunch of titles in the Veer... Lamar won a bunch of titles in their Spinner QB offense which was run heavy under Bailey. and the year that ava lost it was a turbo 42-0 loss.
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Post by BearUp on Nov 8, 2023 9:14:15 GMT -6
Ava Flexbone offense is fine unless they face a team with overwhelming talent, Ava made the State title game in that offense. Any team is in trouble if they face a team with superior talent unless that team is poorly coached. Last year MV was 2 dimensional and faced a better Seneca team who is pretty one dimensional as well. Sure they throw a bit but they are pretty run heavy. Webb won a bunch of titles in the Veer... Lamar won a bunch of titles in their Spinner QB offense which was run heavy under Bailey. and the year that ava lost it was a turbo 42-0 loss. Against a team that had several players signed to SEC schools… Typically I would agree that Ava is one dimensional on offense but our sophomore quarterback can really throw the ball. They haven’t had to pass much yet but the talent is there with this QB.
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Post by jordanearl on Nov 8, 2023 9:52:11 GMT -6
maybe I should rephrase. Ava runs a very 1 dimensional offense that dominates the SCA. they have had multiple undefeated regular seasons and then end playoff run very quickly. they are good at what they do against teams with talent below them. My point is that if they ever want to get over the plateu they are on, that changing it up might equal better success. and maybe im wrong, maybe Ava community is good with whats happeneing. the longer you sit at the same level, fans and kids get impatient. if you match up against a team that is overly talented at stopping the run in the playoffs, its a little too late to decide you want to become balanced and throw the ball. Salem is the perfect example from the Schu days. they won a lot of regular season games. and even played for a state title. but just never could break thru.
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Post by jordanearl on Nov 8, 2023 10:07:48 GMT -6
some info i grabbed from MSHSAA that shows regular season pretty good. and not discounting Ava success, just questioning a 1 dimensinal offense. 23 10-0 With a game against grove and possibly Seneca coming up 22 6-4 injuries derailed but lost in district play 21 11-1 1st round loss(past district 20 5-5 lost first round of districts 19 14-1 Great season, lost 46-0 for state title 18 11-2 lost first round(past district) 17 12-1 Lost First round(past district) 16 8-3 Lost in district ch game 15 7-4 lost in districts 14 9-2 lost in districts 13 7-5 Lost in districts
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Post by mghs on Nov 8, 2023 17:55:37 GMT -6
Ava Flexbone offense is fine unless they face a team with overwhelming talent, Ava made the State title game in that offense. Any team is in trouble if they face a team with superior talent unless that team is poorly coached. Last year MV was 2 dimensional and faced a better Seneca team who is pretty one dimensional as well. Sure they throw a bit but they are pretty run heavy. Webb won a bunch of titles in the Veer... Lamar won a bunch of titles in their Spinner QB offense which was run heavy under Bailey. and the year that ava lost it was a turbo 42-0 loss. That private school was loaded with mercenary College level players. Superior talent wins if they are even marginally coached well. The flexbone kept that game from being 75 points plus. What you’re not getting is the teams Ava has lost to had a talent advantage across the board and the Flexbone offense actually made them competitive against them. Ava has not had the talent to be a balanced offense…WR/OL/QB all must work in unison and be in sync. Lamar usually only plays one:two players or three players both way and had better trench players by far than Ava. Just changing the offense to do something your talent doesn’t do well is not going to help. Jeez we threw the ball to much this year because Estep is young and green. The plays were Ok on the white board but the talent across the board couldn’t execute them. Just throwing for throwing sake gives the opposing team points in many cases.
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Post by jordanearl on Nov 8, 2023 18:08:18 GMT -6
Disagree. Scoring 70 points against willow by running same 3 plays doesn’t get you ready for the playoffs. A teams goals at start of season is: Win conference Win District Win State All I’m saying is that any coach with 1/4 of a brain can scheme to beat them. And can actually do it if they have more talent. Locally. Your right. We don’t have the talent. But come playoff time. Lesser teams can beat more talented teams with a good scheme.
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Post by mghs on Nov 8, 2023 18:13:39 GMT -6
and the year that ava lost it was a turbo 42-0 loss. Against a team that had several players signed to SEC schools… Typically I would agree that Ava is one dimensional on offense but our sophomore quarterback can really throw the ball. They haven’t had to pass much yet but the talent is there with this QB. I agree he is a average thrower which Ava hasn’t had at QB and Ava has some speed at A backs a tall WR #17 who has good hands so it will be interesting to see if Ava offense can connect on enough passes if anyone can grind down their run game. Ava has done a good job at being competitive with what they have because they have a nice system and the Ava players execute it.
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Post by mghs on Nov 8, 2023 18:37:14 GMT -6
Disagree. Scoring 70 points against willow by running same 3 plays doesn’t get you ready for the playoffs. A teams goals at start of season is: Win conference Win District Win State All I’m saying is that any coach with 1/4 of a brain can scheme to beat them. And can actually do it if they have more talent. Locally. Your right. We don’t have the talent. But come playoff time. Lesser teams can beat more talented teams with a good scheme. Watch closer Ava has a lot more more than 3 plays Double G:3 counter plays:midline:dive:inside and outside veer : rocket toss etc. as run plays . And no any coach can’t scheme to stop the Flexbone it has built in answers for all adjustments. Talent beats the Flexbone upfront. The premise that a 2 dimensional offense has an advantage over more talented teams is completely in error. Schemes don’t beat more talented teams, great execution and effort can over come poorly coached superior talented teams or superior talented teams who executed poorly. But all offensive schemes are good and all have weakness. And come playoff time talent usually wins out 99% of the time because that superior talent is more focused and invested.
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Post by BearUp on Nov 8, 2023 20:54:23 GMT -6
and the year that ava lost it was a turbo 42-0 loss. What you’re not getting is the teams Ava has lost to had a talent advantage across the board and the Flexbone offense actually made them competitive against them. Ava has not had the talent to be a balanced offense…WR/OL/QB all must work in unison and be in sync. This! 100% The flexbone is what has made Ava into what it is. It best suits the talent that we typically have year in and year out. I wish we had the talent to be a pass heavy team every season but the reality is we don't. The flexbone fits Ava. We can plug class after class after class into it and have success because it best utilizes the skill we have. In the last few years, we've not had a QB who can really throw the ball but can run it well. That's led us to being one dimensional. The 2021 team was a great example of that. This year we have a Sophomore QB who can both run and throw well. We're not going to dominate the game with passing, but we can pass enough to keep teams honest or to burn them if they continue to stack the box on every play. I'll give Jordanearl a pass on his ignorant comments because I assume he's just trolling. I typically hate pot stirring and never want to give the other team bulletin board material before a big game like this one.
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