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Post by mghs on Nov 8, 2023 23:21:25 GMT -6
I know jordan well... he is probably doing both trolling and believes a 2 headed monster is best. He is right in that respect if you can run and throw very well you are harder to beat. But in reality if you are talented enough to throw well and run well you are stacked talent wise up and down the roster and probably could be very one dimensional and still win with just a occasional pass or run to keep teams honest depending on what the Coach wanted to focus on.
Most teams focus on one aspect of the game because of their talent and then on occasion as you said if the box is stacked or if the box is vacated for coverage the Offense takes advantage of that.
Sadly for Ava they have had a void at QB in the throwing dept. until now and the soph. still isn't up to Par so far he has room for improvement as he matures. Ava as you said owes their success to the Flexbone and their unique style of defense( GA Moore anyone). Prepping for the Flexbone every year with the talent Ava has had is not easy. You hope that your LOS guys can hold their Ground and you tackle well, and you set the edge and drive Ava backs inside or string them to the sideline.
Same goes for our Soph. he is a dang good runner and just a serviceable thrower at this point. Being Green/Young and Never really having to rely on the pass in Junior high do to his legs being so dominate this season he has had to play catchup all season long to settle in as a passer when we need him. In the game Friday at this stage in his short career even though he has got better if we are forced to throw by Ava and complete passes in tight windows against your Cover 1 and Cover 0... well our WR just run Decent routes and our QB is hit or miss at times.
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Post by jordanearl on Nov 9, 2023 7:40:03 GMT -6
little trolling, caught a couple big ens. intresting that my opinion makes me ignorant tho. you 2 prolly shared a dorm room with Coach Schu over in dent county for a few summers, so ill give you a pass. i think both of you got lost as to what i was saying. I didn't say you needed to turn into early 2000's Texas Tech. I also said that the Ava offense was easy to scheme, but hard to execute that scheme without superiour athletes. my vision of a more productive Ava offense would be to throw 7-10 times a game. just enough to keep from stacking the box on every play. and throwing the ball doesnt mean 50 yard hail marys. but either way. Ava is gonna do AVa, and MG will do the same. Im not the coach, just a fan who enjoys football. and have picked up a few things over the years. im also undefeated in NCAA football and won championships running the wishbone and the 5 wide spread  also stayed in a holiday Inn one time |
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Post by bonehead on Nov 9, 2023 8:14:48 GMT -6
sounds like jordan is to sca football what bmac is to sca volleyball  |
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Post by mosooner on Nov 9, 2023 9:21:09 GMT -6
Im a dude that loves the flex. I hated to see it go for us. Its an offense that can hide lack of talent depth and gets better and better as the kids get reps. You dont have to have a great qb, just one that is a decent athlete and can make the correct reads. If you can throw, great, but just have the ability to hit those backs going up the seam after you have sucked the safeties up to stop the run.
It can be a bit of an issue when you get down by multiple scores, but it works the other way too. You get a lead and can continue to milk the clock. Nothing like an 8 to 10 minute drive and ending while putting points on the board. Really effects the opposing defense, especially if your D gets the ball back for you quickly. Ava runs it very well.
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Post by dew on Nov 9, 2023 13:52:10 GMT -6
Ava's flex reminds me of Salem's wishbone. It took 30? years for it to be figured out and stopped. And yes when they got behind they couldn't wishbone their way out of it. As an opponent I got tired of looking at it. As a fan of the game I sure admired it.
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Post by bonehead on Nov 9, 2023 14:50:03 GMT -6
I have always loved the wishbone/Flexbone/veer style of offense for high school football. IMO these type of offenses are the best ones for a high school program to maintain a long level of success. Obviously Liberty has went a different direction to gain their success. And for the most part their style fit the athletes we have had over the Acklin years. But as all of us LIberty fans know it has its limitations and can be a pain the butt come playoff football in bad weather.
And I would disagree with you a bit dew. The wishbone has not been figured out and stopped. If ran correctly it is going to be successful. Now if a team has much better athletes and their own good system they can beat it on any given night. But that in no way means it has been figured out and extinct. you put Coach Shu with the last few groups of Ava teams and they are rolling people in a similar fashion.
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Post by dew on Nov 9, 2023 15:16:52 GMT -6
I have always loved the wishbone/Flexbone/veer style of offense for high school football. IMO these type of offenses are the best ones for a high school program to maintain a long level of success. Obviously Liberty has went a different direction to gain their success. And for the most part their style fit the athletes we have had over the Acklin years. But as all of us LIberty fans know it has its limitations and can be a pain the butt come playoff football in bad weather. And I would disagree with you a bit dew. The wishbone has not been figured out and stopped. If ran correctly it is going to be successful. Now if a team has much better athletes and their own good system they can beat it on any given night. But that in no way means it has been figured out and extinct. you put Coach Shu with the last few groups of Ava teams and they are rolling people in a similar fashion. With coach Schu yes! He was definitely the mastermind of it. |
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Post by mghs on Nov 9, 2023 23:15:42 GMT -6
Im a dude that loves the flex. I hated to see it go for us. Its an offense that can hide lack of talent depth and gets better and better as the kids get reps. You dont have to have a great qb, just one that is a decent athlete and can make the correct reads. If you can throw, great, but just have the ability to hit those backs going up the seam after you have sucked the safeties up to stop the run. It can be a bit of an issue when you get down by multiple scores, but it works the other way too. You get a lead and can continue to milk the clock. Nothing like an 8 to 10 minute drive and ending while putting points on the board. Really effects the opposing defense, especially if your D gets the ball back for you quickly. Ava runs it very well. Exactly.... The flexbone can hide lack of talent and make a team competitive. Just like when we ran the Veer under Johnson. If you can throw all the better and the offense can really be unstoppable then. |
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Post by mghs on Nov 9, 2023 23:22:38 GMT -6
little trolling, caught a couple big ens. intresting that my opinion makes me ignorant tho. you 2 prolly shared a dorm room with Coach Schu over in dent county for a few summers, so ill give you a pass. i think both of you got lost as to what i was saying. I didn't say you needed to turn into early 2000's Texas Tech. I also said that the Ava offense was easy to scheme, but hard to execute that scheme without superiour athletes. my vision of a more productive Ava offense would be to throw 7-10 times a game. just enough to keep from stacking the box on every play. and throwing the ball doesnt mean 50 yard hail marys. but either way. Ava is gonna do AVa, and MG will do the same. Im not the coach, just a fan who enjoys football. and have picked up a few things over the years. im also undefeated in NCAA football and won championships running the wishbone and the 5 wide spread also stayed in a holiday Inn one time Didn't say you was ignorant at all. Just misinformed on how things work in this regard Ava didn't throw previously because their QB was subpar in that dept. and the Odds of completing a Pass and making yardage was less than making that yardage with some run play. Throwing wasn't going to make a defense adjust the numbers in the box because Ava was never going to complete enough to put the fear of God in a opposing DC . Sure throwing in the Ava Flexbone would of been great but their lack of QB talent killed them and trying to force throws is counter productive. The Ava Coach now has a QB who is a threat and he has worked on it in almost every game this year.... he has in games throw rather a lot at Times the Salem and Cabool games come to mind. |
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Post by mghs on Nov 10, 2023 0:11:42 GMT -6
I have always loved the wishbone/Flexbone/veer style of offense for high school football. IMO these type of offenses are the best ones for a high school program to maintain a long level of success. Obviously Liberty has went a different direction to gain their success. And for the most part their style fit the athletes we have had over the Acklin years. But as all of us LIberty fans know it has its limitations and can be a pain the butt come playoff football in bad weather. And I would disagree with you a bit dew. The wishbone has not been figured out and stopped. If ran correctly it is going to be successful. Now if a team has much better athletes and their own good system they can beat it on any given night. But that in no way means it has been figured out and extinct. you put Coach Shu with the last few groups of Ava teams and they are rolling people in a similar fashion. This is spot on the truth the Option is still viable and a threat, the reason that the Option offense has died is because of Players and Fans!!!! Fans want the pass and athletes want to catch the Pass. Fans are just fine with a Spread offense that wings the ball around and puts their Defense in a bind and thus loses a lot!!! You throw the ball unsuccessfully and it's all good around town the fans are happy with the Air High and the Athletes will still come out for the chance for a Big play or two even if the team is losing. Get in a run heavy offense and win and throw throw the ball 3-10 times a game and win and the Athletes tend to want to hang out on the hardwood and the fans always complain about if we just threw it more often we could of won more, never realizing that they would of won less throwing it more because not enough of those passes would of been successful. Coaches have figured that out to a degree and have incorporated the basic Run game(power/DG/Counter/Trap/Jet) into Shotgun formations to trick Fans and Players into believing they are running a passing offense. If Ava was in a pistol formation and ran the same stuff out of Shotgun with the QB at 3yds and threw 5 times a game nobody would even realize it was a called option run first offense. Look at Tenn. this year.... they went from a Pure Passing offense last year that was among the best in the nation... to a Pure Running offense this year out of very similar formations and sets because his QB ain't no thrower. Josh Heupel ain't no dummy he runs what will win with his talent. MV did go a different direction in that they had a lot of Basketball type Athletes and some Very Mobile athletic QB's. Really if you break down MV stud teams while they Completed passes what really made them hard to beat wasn't a QB standing in the Pocket throwing Dimes down field. It was a QB taking shots down field often and completing a few of them rattle a Defense into panic and then gashing them with a QB who can extend plays and churn yardage like a RB!! How often did you see MV throw it up and throw it up and get Zilch and then it be 3rd/4th and long and do the same and the QB break contain and make a first down.... enough to give me nightmares. The best offensive Coaching Job at MV IMO was last year when Holland went run Heavy with Ripko and Pruett... I wish he would of just tried to pass it down field all game long!!! |
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