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Post by panther1969 on Dec 3, 2023 8:20:12 GMT -6
Watched all 6 games (live stream) the best game was the Lamar v valle game. The teams that won, except Marionviille had balanced attacks on Offense. Even Lamar used the pass to catch Valle off guard to score with. I feel bad for Republic they played against a college level team, and still put up a valiant effort.You can clearly see the difference in talent levels between the 6 classes as you should. The speed and size of class 6 was amazing. In past years you could make the the argument that (for example) a class 2 champion was better than class 3 champion ,not this year it went class 6 best team to class 1. The days of ground and pound are over. If you want to win at a high level you have to develop a balanced attack, the defenses of today are too good to beat with one dimension offense.
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Post by mghs on Dec 3, 2023 9:51:39 GMT -6
You do know Valle Catholic beat Central Park Hills…48-34 in a conference game. It is possible Lamar and Valle are better than the C3 finalists
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Post by panther1969 on Dec 3, 2023 10:58:07 GMT -6
Also..Seneca beat Lamar
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Post by mofootballfan23 on Dec 3, 2023 14:38:37 GMT -6
Valle beat Central when Central was missing the QB and the WR that caught all six TD passes against Seneca.
Safe to say Valle would’ve had a harder time if both of them were playing.
Lamar is a team I follow and watch weekly. Lamar came out expecting Valle to run a lot more. It’s been since the central game earlier this season, that Valle hasn’t ran at an almost 60/40 clip. Believe it or not. Yes Valle running?! Crazy stuff.
So I think when Valle not only punched us in the mouth, but also had that kind of success at that? It caught Lamar off guard. The second half was an entirely different story. Lamar’s D suffocated Valle outside of the opening second half drive. It was truly a tale of two halves. Lamar made more adjustments and had more depth, it won them the game.
Lamar underestimated the passing game a bit I think. I have a nephew who plays, but I haven’t had the time to ask him yet.
Anyways, something else to take into account on the difference in classes, class 4 was down this year. I think Seneca or Central could’ve gave a much better game to Kearney than Hillsboro did. It just so happened that Kearney was really good. I think last year Lamar and BO could’ve won class 3 but not this year. Central was BO last year I feel.
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Post by mofootballfan23 on Dec 3, 2023 14:40:00 GMT -6
Replay that game 3 weeks later when Lamar had their starting QB and RB/QB back so we weren’t starting a freshman QB and it could’ve been a different story. I realize it’s hard to know things without being in the area, but this is why just looking at records and scores doesn’t tell the whole story. |
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Post by bonehead on Dec 3, 2023 16:05:22 GMT -6
The days of ground and pound are over LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
Tell us another joke!
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Post by panther1969 on Dec 3, 2023 16:34:06 GMT -6
The teams that won were balanced ran the ball and threw too, that way can't load the box. Ava cruised through the SCA.but when played a team that could do both really well..not even close. Today's teams are way more athletic than in past.
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Post by mosooner on Dec 3, 2023 19:11:41 GMT -6
Valle beat Central when Central was missing the QB and the WR that caught all six TD passes against Seneca. Safe to say Valle would’ve had a harder time if both of them were playing. Lamar is a team I follow and watch weekly. Lamar came out expecting Valle to run a lot more. It’s been since the central game earlier this season, that Valle hasn’t ran at an almost 60/40 clip. Believe it or not. Yes Valle running?! Crazy stuff. So I think when Valle not only punched us in the mouth, but also had that kind of success at that? It caught Lamar off guard. The second half was an entirely different story. Lamar’s D suffocated Valle outside of the opening second half drive. It was truly a tale of two halves. Lamar made more adjustments and had more depth, it won them the game. Lamar underestimated the passing game a bit I think. I have a nephew who plays, but I haven’t had the time to ask him yet. Anyways, something else to take into account on the difference in classes, class 4 was down this year. I think Seneca or Central could’ve gave a much better game to Kearney than Hillsboro did. It just so happened that Kearney was really good. I think last year Lamar and BO could’ve won class 3 but not this year. Central was BO last year I feel. Although I think that Lamar or BO would have been more competitive than the Wolves were last year, I really dont think either would have been able to beat Cardinal Ritter in Class 3. |
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Post by panther1969 on Dec 3, 2023 20:00:10 GMT -6
Cardinal Ritter was bumped up to 5a..and they controlled Republic.
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Post by bonehead on Dec 3, 2023 21:59:44 GMT -6
The teams that won were balanced ran the ball and threw too, that way can't load the box. Ava cruised through the SCA.but when played a team that could do both really well..not even close. Today's teams are way more athletic than in past. Being balanced is fine and can be very effective. But to say that ground and pound football is over is just silly. You can argue that several teams that played yesterday have a ground and pound philosophy. It is not going anywhere. And being a ground and pound team does not mean you do not utilize the pass at times. Ava for years has thrown it just enough to keep teams honest. Lamar does it. Thayer has done it. It is very effective at the high school level. |
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Post by mosooner on Dec 4, 2023 8:39:33 GMT -6
Cardinal Ritter was bumped up to 5a..and they controlled Republic. Yes, I was referring to the post saying they would have won Class 3 last year |
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Post by mghs on Dec 5, 2023 1:08:31 GMT -6
Yes I watched the game and Lamar didn't have their starting QB and Seneca in heroic fashion at the beginning of the 2nd half made 4th down conversions multiple times. |
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Post by mghs on Dec 5, 2023 1:37:13 GMT -6
Watched all 6 games (live stream) the best game was the Lamar v valle game. The teams that won, except Marionviille had balanced attacks on Offense. Even Lamar used the pass to catch Valle off guard to score with. I feel bad for Republic they played against a college level team, and still put up a valiant effort.You can clearly see the difference in talent levels between the 6 classes as you should. The speed and size of class 6 was amazing. In past years you could make the the argument that (for example) a class 2 champion was better than class 3 champion ,not this year it went class 6 best team to class 1. The days of ground and pound are over. If you want to win at a high level you have to develop a balanced attack, the defenses of today are too good to beat with one dimension offense. What people don't get is you can't cram a square peg in a round hole. You have to have a offense that fits your talent and work from there. Lamar was run heavy 46 rushes for 257 yards without that dominate threat of the run they could of never completed 8 passes out 15 attempts for 217 yds. If Lamar would of tried to be balanced and thrown more they would of been behind the Down and distance gave more time for Valle to score and not made the comeback. Lamar is rush dominate. They Pass when teams load the box and make them pay. That style is as old as Football. Establish a run threat make it good and when DB's and LB's are run oriented hit them with the Big pass. Republic was able to at least Compete with a Renegade squad like C.Ritter by rushing for 230yds on 55 attempts and keeping the ball out of their hands, sure if you have talent like Ritter you can do what ever you want. But Rep. made it a game by rushing the ball 55 times and only throwing it 16. If they would of tried to reach or develop a balanced attack the game would of been a run away slaughter. Rep. coach did a wonderful job in having a system that allows his players to excel without having to have top flight talent. Look at Kearney they rushed the ball 41 times for 279 yds and threw the ball 14 times for 11 completions and 229 yds. Kearney Established a run game and then like Lamar picked their spots and cashed in with the Pass. Kearney clearly was run dominate with 41 rushes and only 14 pass attempts. Sure their passing game was efficient but again if Kearney came out and tried to reach some mythical balanced attack by throwing 27 times and rushing 27 times they would of not won as easily and could very well of lost. Even CPH was not balanced they where Pass heavy... they went with their talent. They had a average OL a Great QB 2 Top Flight WR, 2 other Above Average WR so of course passing was their Best option. And if that Broke down the QB could scramble and make a play. Liberty N. was closer to balanced 34 rushes 20 passes but even they where run dominate and not close to true balanced offense of 50/50. Now I do agree that being One Dimensional in this day and age makes it very very tough to win a title unless you have over whelming talent. But to try and Just Develop a Balanced attack for the sake of developing a balanced attack because that is what you have to do to win is counter productive if you do not have WR talent, QB talent, and OL talent who are agile enough to handle the rush. And if CPH had tried to run the Flexbone or Just tried to force the run game and become 50/50 out of the spread I would wager a lot that Blair Oaks would of beat CPH or Seneca if they had tried to be balanced. The Best Schemes are the ones that can adjust to the talent without major changes. I will say this the Flexbone at Ava is limited in that regard but Ava tends to not have natural type of throwing QB's that often so they run a system that is geared toward the genetics in Booger County. Grove runs the Shotgun wing t.... a system that can adapt easily to different talent. Got a Elliot/Glen/Vaughn/Dowden then you can go more Double Slot, 3 wide and throw it more and still run your Buck/Trap/Jet/Belly series as well. Don't have WR talent and a Great throwing QB... still got your base run game and then you add in a lot more QB runs and then wait to dial up passes when teams begin to over play the run game and hope to gash them with the big plays. Option offense are not as malleable as other systems but Option coaches to this day win titles in those systems and do pass effectively out of them if they have the talent. MV offense is adaptable as well their OC did a good job being Run oriented when he had Pruett and Ripko and not forcing the pass and even more so this year... he had to dial up Pruett in the run game. Jeez I wish MV would not of ran him and been more pass heavy.... we might of won. |
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Post by mghs on Dec 5, 2023 1:58:41 GMT -6
Valle beat Central when Central was missing the QB and the WR that caught all six TD passes against Seneca. Safe to say Valle would’ve had a harder time if both of them were playing. Lamar is a team I follow and watch weekly. Lamar came out expecting Valle to run a lot more. It’s been since the central game earlier this season, that Valle hasn’t ran at an almost 60/40 clip. Believe it or not. Yes Valle running?! Crazy stuff. So I think when Valle not only punched us in the mouth, but also had that kind of success at that? It caught Lamar off guard. The second half was an entirely different story. Lamar’s D suffocated Valle outside of the opening second half drive. It was truly a tale of two halves. Lamar made more adjustments and had more depth, it won them the game. Lamar underestimated the passing game a bit I think. I have a nephew who plays, but I haven’t had the time to ask him yet. Anyways, something else to take into account on the difference in classes, class 4 was down this year. I think Seneca or Central could’ve gave a much better game to Kearney than Hillsboro did. It just so happened that Kearney was really good. I think last year Lamar and BO could’ve won class 3 but not this year. Central was BO last year I feel. Think you got only partial info. I watched the game on Youtube before the title Valle vs CPH.. #11 played against Valley as a QB. #5 was out hurt his Shoulder against Central Cape G. took him off on a stretcher and they lost, Both games are online the youtube. Plus last years game vs Valle is on there as well. Good games to watch. |
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Post by mghs on Dec 5, 2023 2:03:14 GMT -6
The teams that won were balanced ran the ball and threw too, that way can't load the box. Ava cruised through the SCA.but when played a team that could do both really well..not even close. Today's teams are way more athletic than in past. Seneca Beat Ava because they had better players. Seneca QB better than Ava, Seneca RB as good as Ava, Seneca OL better than Ava, Seneca DL better than Ava, Seneca LB better than Ava, Seneca WR/H back better than Ava A/WR. If Seneca Ran Ava Flexbone and Ava ran Seneca Spread zone the outcome would not of changed because of scheme changes. Talent wins games..... scheme is only a factor when coaches try to force their talent to adhere to some White Board slogan about being balanced is important. |
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