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Post by mghs on Dec 5, 2023 2:43:36 GMT -6
Cardinal Ritter was bumped up to 5a..and they controlled Republic. Ritter might be the best team in the state.... That team is Full of College prospects with Power 5 offers.... the St.Louis Catholic Archdiocese has cherry picked from that region the top talent and put them on one squad so they can unfairly compete against public schools and up until this year in C2/C3. I don't know how any Religion/Organization that claims to be moral and forthright can justify putting together a mercenary team full of P5 players and then playing them against C2/C3. Finally the State had to be dragged against their will to start bumping up these Rogue teams. It's amazing to me that School Boards, Superintendents and Mshsaa have been so brazen as to offer up poor rural squads , that don't have a Division 1 Power 5 player every 50 years in their school system, to these elite teams with College Bound talent at every position, caring not about the risk at all in a violent sport and more than complicit to throw them to the gristmill of these Private backed Schools who are not bound by the same rules or criteria. And the people in charge wonder why the Educated Masses see through their corruption and have utter disdain and contempt for them..... I was also waiting for someone to mention how CBC quit because they couldn't take the arse beating from L.North!!! Literally requested to stop play at the 3:15min mark because L.North was to physical and so the refs and Mshsaa officials did. CBC a super private school of primadonna's who clearly knuckled down to a physical squad who brought it to them legally. So they just walked away. The CBC coach is a Dbag because after the game he literally twittered that he did so to protect his players from the L. North squads illegal on field activity that the Ref's where not policing. No CBC coach your squad was just getting whipped and your squad doesn't have the mental make up to face adversity and rise up and show sportsmanship and resolve. They are a complete reflection of your weakness.
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Post by mosooner on Dec 5, 2023 9:12:57 GMT -6
I could go on about Ritter, but still looks like I am whining because they beat us in the Championship game last year. (nevermind that I have been talking about private schools needing their own division/divisions for years) I just hate that we let the "big cities" get away with doing it, like we do.
The CBC stuff was an embarrassment. Floyd Irons walked Vashon off the floor in a game at the Final Four one year. Is this a St Louis Private thing? The stuff they were getting upset about was all legal. A STL writer even doubled down advocating for them, what an idiot.
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Post by panther1969 on Dec 5, 2023 13:21:15 GMT -6
Cardinal Ritter will probably be pushed to 6a next year with the multiplier and success of program. CBC coach did his players wrong teach them that in life as on the field adversity happens, teach them to deal with it. MSHSAA definitely needs to look into having a separate division for private and public schools. There are enough of both to have their own divisions. I would have 2 dvisions of private schools and keep the 6 divisions in public schools.
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Post by jordanearl on Dec 5, 2023 13:33:52 GMT -6
Cardinal Ritter will probably be pushed to 6a next year with the multiplier and success of program. CBC coach did his players wrong teach them that in life as on the field adversity happens, teach them to deal with it. MSHSAA definitely needs to look into having a separate division for private and public schools. There are enough of both to have their own divisions. I would have 2 dvisions of private schools and keep the 6 divisions in public schools. if you moved all your privates to a 2 class system. you could do either 4 or 5 classes. no need to have 6. 9 state champs is getting pretty excessive. and class 1 when you won your district you were in final 4
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Post by mosooner on Dec 5, 2023 16:05:16 GMT -6
Private can have their own playoffs.. dont care if they do one class or two..... (it is a shame for the privates that dont recruit, but still) I think we could do 4 classes but 5 max for public school... But make the classes even instead of the very small Class 1
Ritter is already up two classes, they cant be pushed up any more under the current rules
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Post by mghs on Dec 7, 2023 5:26:33 GMT -6
Ritter has 315 students and as you said up two classes. And do they still use a multiplier as well. I can't recall the exact rules. But no doubt the Privates should be in their own class. I can't figure out why Ritter was so pumped to beat Rep.? They are a guns' for hire squad facing a public school. At the end of the video doing the snow Angels on the Tiger head was somewhat strange. www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqkx3Sn19ns&list=WL&index=2&t=17sAnd claims are 99% of CR players didn't shake hands.... I must admit I'm not against that on a whole. I think teams should shake before the game and after each should go their own way. But that is not the Norm. To show sportsmanship both teams for decades have shaken hands after the contest has ended.
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Post by lhstiger on Dec 7, 2023 19:49:13 GMT -6
The Lamar teams in the past have had to deal with maplewood richmond heights and later Trinity Catholic, both of whom recruited hired guns from around St Louis. Some the antics of those players were pretty bad. It seems like it rotates around different private schools up there which ones recruit super teams. It seems like after a few years the program implodes, only to start up somewhere else. Maplewood doesnt even have football anymore. I wonder if the parents of non athletes got tired of paying high tuition fees, while some of the thugs got free rides because they could play football. Dont get me wrong, not all the players were bad, but several were.
In the case of those 2 programs, they were loaded with D 1 prospects, but were undisaplined and poorly coached, which was how Lamar was able to beat them by playing disaplined football. Cardinal Ritter seams to be better coached.
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Post by mghs on Dec 8, 2023 8:51:17 GMT -6
Great insight, exactly what I’ve been told too. What upsets me the most isn’t the players…it’s the adults that run this corrupt system( usually with some religious affiliation) and rig it so these player achieve false goals and success.
How fair would the NFL be if the Salary cap was 2/3 Lower for some teams. We have seen how unfair CFB is with the NCAA allowing Blue Bloods to $$$$$ unfettered amounts to players while other programs got punished for lesser infractions. Now the NIL has somewhat leveled the playing field. As it’s legal to hand out $$$$$ and try to compete without the specter of the NCAaa around. It’s it a coincidence that Kirby Smart, Saban Daboo and other Blue Blood coaches decry the NIL it’s hurt their advantage.
In high school there is no leveler at all…. The multiplier or class bump is a joke when a squad loads up on D1 talent. Literally these teams have more D1 & FCS talent in one year than most small schools have had in their whole history.
The adults doing this should be ashamed but they are not in the Least. To paraphrase EM they are saying they are doing good things but really are doing evil!!
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Post by mosooner on Dec 8, 2023 9:00:02 GMT -6
The Lamar teams in the past have had to deal with maplewood richmond heights and later Trinity Catholic, both of whom recruited hired guns from around St Louis. Some the antics of those players were pretty bad. It seems like it rotates around different private schools up there which ones recruit super teams. It seems like after a few years the program implodes, only to start up somewhere else. Maplewood doesnt even have football anymore. I wonder if the parents of non athletes got tired of paying high tuition fees, while some of the thugs got free rides because they could play football. Dont get me wrong, not all the players were bad, but several were. In the case of those 2 programs, they were loaded with D 1 prospects, but were undisaplined and poorly coached, which was how Lamar was able to beat them by playing disaplined football. Cardinal Ritter seams to be better coached. Yes, that is what RS noticed about Ritter last year. Between the lines they were a whole lot more disciplined than what we had seen on film of some of the teams of the past. But boy can thost St Louis privates put together some talent.
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Post by mghs on Dec 8, 2023 9:05:37 GMT -6
I’ve had the Idea for years to put together an Organization that awards a Public school state title to teams that lose to Renegade privates. Have a banquet, rings for players and a trophy as well. Press release to basically shame the privates for their corruption and to devalue their success from Cheating. If I had the funding it would happen yesterday!
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Post by lhstiger on Dec 10, 2023 9:22:48 GMT -6
The coach at Trinity justified it by saying he was trying to get some kids college scholarships that otherwise couldnt afford to go to college. And he did that, he ended up as an assistant at U of Illinois, and several of his players ended up there. The QB that we played against in the state championship game ended up starting some games at QB at Illinois, and later switched to WR.
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Post by mghs on Dec 10, 2023 10:11:25 GMT -6
They always wrap their corruption in feel good lies. It’s disgusting.
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