dgman
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Post by dgman on Nov 29, 2016 8:26:06 GMT -6
Congrats to the tigers on #6 and program second to none!
U Lamar fans definitely have the inside scoop on my question and hopefully u guys will have facts to back it up. Something I haven't understood year after year is how a program like yours is so successful and the #s stay about the same?
I've heard that there is a private school located close to Lamar?
Again with the success that has been achieved usually programs attract more kids?
What are most of us missing here?
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Post by 7time on Nov 29, 2016 9:14:28 GMT -6
No private schools " close" theres a few in joplin but none in barton county that im aware of and we dont coop with anybody. For the numbers lamar has always been a football town. Even in our worst years we averaged 50 kids. I think every school has athletes walking the halls that could be really good players that choose either not to play or not to put in the work to be great. Coach bailey and lundine have done a great job of putting the right players in the right positions/scheme and turning average players into good players and good players into great ones by pushing them to work hard instead of coasting on talent alone
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Post by 4everalhstiger on Nov 29, 2016 15:49:48 GMT -6
I often sit back and wonder the same thing myself. My son was on the 1st state championship team. Back then I remember us parents and boys wanting it so bad, doing anything that needed done as a parent and player. The weight room is a must and it's a year round thing. It's not 'mandatory' but you know you don't miss. There was a program in Nevada, MO called Acceleration that concentrated on the boys position and sport. For several summers parents car pooled the boys (and several vb and softball girls). This was on top of the weight room, camp, and practice. Weight room started at 5 or 5:30am. Boys were usually out by 7:30am. There were numerous times my son (and he wasnt the only one) would be back home by 8am and out to do chores, go to camp, come back out be in the field til 10pm or later depending on if it was haying, wheat harvest, etc. It's made clear that if you want to play you don't miss. I know though that our boys are not unique....any boy playing football puts the hard work and time in. The only thing I've noticed differently from some of the teams around here is the weight room doesn't start as early and isn't mandatory and the one big thing is parents do NOT question coach Bailey. It is understood that he's the coach and we let him do his job. So many teams around here will say they want it, yet you have little Billy's dad complaining that his son should be the qb, gripes constantly about the coach to everyone, yelling at the coach at games, etc Then if they don't win little Billy's dad says 'see...if he had been qb we would have won' The next year that coach is out and a new one hired and everything is great, whole town is behind the guy JUST AS LONG as he plays who they all think he should play at the position they want. It's sad. I'm certainly not saying that any of your teams do this. I just see what goes on around a lot of teams around here.
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Post by griswold on Dec 5, 2016 20:01:30 GMT -6
Just to add more to what the other two tiger fans posted. It does start at the top with the coaches. Lamar is fortunate that the assistant have stayed and not moved onto other schools. Coach Bailey is a great coach but what I like is what you see is what you get. He is a man of faith and not afraid to show it with his kids. He sets rules and as some players found out this year he is not afraid to enforce those rules. Each July he is the guest speaker for The United Methodist Men's breakfast. The last few years he will give a small talk then it's open session where you can ask coach any question and he will answer the questions.
One of the other poster touched upon parent involvement. I have a friend who was a very successful high school coach in southwest Missouri. In the late 1990's and early 2000's. He was encouraged by members of the community and school board member to apply for a coaching position at Lamar. One time he did apply for the position but after some thinking about withdrew his name after talking with his friends in Lamar. When I asked him why he mentioned he thought the parents were to involved with thinking their player should be playing instead of another player. He didn't have that environment where he was at and decided to stay.
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dgman
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Post by dgman on Dec 5, 2016 20:35:16 GMT -6
This is good feed back for but one question still hasn't been answered. Why doesn't a successful program not grow in numbers? That kind of success should garner more support? More kids should want to a be part of something special.
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Post by griswold on Dec 5, 2016 21:58:02 GMT -6
Before coach Bailey in the early 2000 Lamar numbers were way down. I can remember teams with only 30 players out for football. I think it was the year or two before Bailey was hired one team had 3 or 4 Seniors on the team. With Bailey the numbers kept increasing.
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Post by teamtiger on Dec 13, 2016 10:52:41 GMT -6
Not sure how many more kids you can expect? There is less than 200 boys in the school. You got 75 on the football team, 20ish on the cross country team, add band and you are running out of kids pretty quick.
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Post by mosooner on Dec 13, 2016 12:09:21 GMT -6
Once you get to a certain point you cant grow (in numbers) any longer. I would say that you have a higher percentage of students playing than most schools in the state. Unless you are talking about people moving to Lamar so their kids can play football in that program... If that is what you are talking about, its a whole new can of worms. Be proud of what has been built there. It is truly amazing.
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dgman
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Post by dgman on Dec 14, 2016 0:00:49 GMT -6
Once you get to a certain point you cant grow (in numbers) any longer. I would say that you have a higher percentage of students playing than most schools in the state. Unless you are talking about people moving to Lamar so their kids can play football in that program... If that is what you are talking about, its a whole new can of worms. Be proud of what has been built there. It is truly amazing. [br Hit the nail on the about more kids moving to Lamar to be a part of the program and growing the enrollment #s. Despite all the success this isn't happening. That is what I was getting at guess I need to be more specific. |
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Post by teamtiger on Dec 14, 2016 9:39:26 GMT -6
They have pulled a hand full from other local farming communities but nothing that would affect enrollment. I am guessing part of it has to do with the region. There are several good programs in SW Mo that also have jobs (Lamar has nearly no industry). If you are willing to move for sports reasons why not move to Webb, Monett, or Springfield area where you wont have to commute 30+ min for work everyday.
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