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Post by extruder1 on Aug 1, 2016 17:30:21 GMT -6
MGHS says,"Truthfully all the teams in the SCA where gracious to Liberty back in the dark days, no teams took pride or pleasure in kicking liberties teeth in a lot of those years MV could of really been pounded by the SCA teams if not for those teams being gracious.And while some years Liberty was gritty and gave teams a hard fought game more often than not that was not the case. But the one thing I do feel was a given most SCA fans felt liberty as a whole was good sports and lost with class."
I went to Liberty and graduated in 1993. I was at the games during the 0-10 years, notice I said years. I also remember the 70+ to zero scores Salem put on us. I also remember when Ava was crushing us 56 to 0 at half time and the game was called because of storms. And these were home scores not away games. I felt that there wasn't much sympathy for us back then or that many of the teams that gave us a break. I will note that the mercy clock was not in play at that time, (I think anyways).
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Post by mghs on Aug 2, 2016 3:51:21 GMT -6
I can say this Grove ran the score up on Cabool a couple of time scored over 70+ points and near 80. That was never done versus Liberty those scores where more a reflection of the state of the MV program than a attempt by other SCA squads to break Liberty. I'm sure it didn't seem that way to MV fans and that is a normal emotional reaction.
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Post by jordanearl on Aug 2, 2016 9:14:48 GMT -6
running up the score is a relative term. when another team is really really bad its easy to feel like the other team is running it up.
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Post by daddue11 on Aug 2, 2016 10:31:23 GMT -6
How did I know this thread would turn out to be a banter bait to end up as a View -v- Grove pissing match ....and we fell for it . Grove has a great winning tradition = true VIEW = has been building a winning tradition as of the last 10 years = true
We are rivals and snip at each other = true Will View fans admit Grove is better = Heck no ...Will Grove admit View is better = no way .
It doesn't matter who was better in the past or who's better now .....We all just want the season to start so we can SEE our teams play ALREADY . Start the season ALREADY . Goodness gracious give me a cigarette !!! and I don't even smoke .
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Post by extruder1 on Aug 2, 2016 20:50:03 GMT -6
I guess I better clarify what I mean about running up the score issue. We were getting thumped and it wasn't good but you two choices...keep getting beat or get better. We were fortunate to get Coach Acklin to come in and change the culture of the program. He had to come in and really make it feel like it was Liberty against the world. Also, I think you are on to something MGHS about some fans not acting like they have been there before. But each school has the good, supportive fans while each school also has the idiot fans who probably shouldn't be allowed to leave their houses.
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Post by mghs on Aug 3, 2016 4:33:01 GMT -6
Agree but I'm not saying MV fans are idiots at all....that is a harsher term than I'd use. I'd say your term of MV fans acting like they'd not been there before is correct. My definition is some MV fans are seem to demand a level of respect beyond what the program has earned over this upturn in the program. Some might disagree.
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Post by extruder1 on Aug 4, 2016 19:41:49 GMT -6
I know you weren't saying MV fans are idiots. I was just making a general statement. Fans are passionate and sometimes do not realize how far they have went. I have to admit, a few years ago, I caught myself yelling at refs when it really wasn't a bad call. I have found that as I get older and with my children present I try to really watch how I react to situations.
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Post by joefish on Aug 9, 2016 14:44:36 GMT -6
you disagree? just a few years ago i never seen more then a couple big handful of fans outside the parents. but as they say winning cures all. its amazing how quickly the bandwagon fills Call it what you want, Bandwagon, Fair Weather, blah blah blah. Winning cures everything. We've got things turned around, and plan on being a thorn in your side for a LONG time! 😏😏
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Post by joefish on Aug 9, 2016 15:11:20 GMT -6
I guess I just missed all those times that Grove, Salem, etc were so gracious when they were kicking our teeth in. Gimme a break boys! Truthfully all the teams in the SCA where gracious to Liberty back in the dark days, no teams took pride or pleasure in kicking liberties teeth in a lot of those years MV could of really been pounded by the SCA teams if not for those teams being gracious.And while some years Liberty was gritty and gave teams a hard fought game more often than not that was not the case. But the one thing I do feel was a given most SCA fans felt liberty as a whole was good sports and lost with class. Seems that was lost once the winning started. And the whole SCA looked down on Liberty,their fans, players etc. was a great construct of Coach Ack. Smart move to build that chip on the shoulder MV against the world mind set.....but the first anyone heard of this looking down through our noses at MV came in the Coach act interview a few years ago. Kudos to coach Ack. and is propganda... Maybe MV program was not well respected but it wasn't mocked or laughed at either. I remember the 60+ point teeth kickings by SCA teams, I witnessed it 1st hand. I will strongly disagree on the (Mocking and Laughed at) portion of your comment, but hey it's your opinion and you're entitled to it. The reason nobody heard of the "looking down your noses" comment you posted was once the momentum started to turn in Liberty's favor, you had to recognize them as a legitimate contender. Something ALOT of folks couldn't swallow. Acklin wasn't the 1st person to make that statement, it had been made on the old SCA site a thousand times. He did it publicly, and everyone took offence to it. But really what's so bad about it? It was a motivation tactic, and it worked. It pissed all you Grove fans off, and our kids played at a level Grove didn't have on those certain nights, and it showed on the scoreboard. Would you rather go back to the SCA being dominated by 1 team year in and year out? I like it now that there are 3 to 5 teams that legitimately could win the SCA on any given year.
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Post by mghs on Aug 10, 2016 2:39:42 GMT -6
While his comment was a tactful statement to use as motivation the fact is.....the comment was not truthful. Which is fine. Nobody looked down their noses or mocked liberty. Nobody really gave them a thought at all as a football program. And it wasn't that folks couldn't swallow Liberty winning it was the lack of let's say grace in doing so. That is something that some Liberty fans still don't grasp.
I also don't want to minimize the fact that I'm sure Liberty fans and players felt mocked and looked down upon, I'm sure those feelings where real.But When you have a bad run like MV had in the past I'm sure the general upbeat and jovial behavior of opposing fans and players could easily be perceived as mocking and nose thumbing. I doubt if that was the intent 99% of the time. I don't ever recall anyone looking forward to downing Liberty or brow beating them.
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Post by joefish on Aug 10, 2016 18:15:27 GMT -6
I don't want to see anybody take a beating, for the last few years our starters didn't play 3 full quarters until games 5 or 6. When you only have 17 or 18 varsity kids, it can be perceived as keeping them in or running the score up. You're an injury or 2 away from never being able to bring certain kids out of a football game. Let's face it, there may be 28-30 kids standing on the sideline, but not all of them are ready to be thrown into a Friday night game.
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Post by slomo on Aug 11, 2016 9:09:33 GMT -6
While his comment was a tactful statement to use as motivation the fact is.....the comment was not truthful. Which is fine. Nobody looked down their noses or mocked liberty. Nobody really gave them a thought at all as a football program. And it wasn't that folks couldn't swallow Liberty winning it was the lack of let's say grace in doing so. That is something that some Liberty fans still don't grasp.
I also don't want to minimize the fact that I'm sure Liberty fans and players felt mocked and looked down upon, I'm sure those feelings where real.But When you have a bad run like MV had in the past I'm sure the general upbeat and jovial behavior of opposing fans and players could easily be perceived as mocking and nose thumbing. I doubt if that was the intent 99% of the time. I don't ever recall anyone looking forward to downing Liberty or brow beating them. "But When you have a bad run like MV had in the past I'm sure the general upbeat and jovial behavior of opposing fans and players could easily be perceived as mocking and nose thumbing." "And it wasn't that folks couldn't swallow Liberty winning it was the lack of let's say grace in doing so. That is something that some Liberty fans still don't grasp." Not that it matters really, but do you see what's funny about these statements? Maybe your perception of our general jovial spirit was misconceived, as was our perception of disrespect. But, the fact remains, perception is reality for us small town yokels. I know that's the case for you Grovers, seeing as how you talk about that "Tradition of Excellence" so often.
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Post by Bobcat61 on Aug 11, 2016 19:20:05 GMT -6
Hmm,best fans.That might and could be hard to answer if we go way back.Fans and the players are alike.Been to a lot of games at Thayer in my time.Heard many teams count out their points against Thayer in the locker room after the game.I know,get better to stop it.These past few years it seems that things have kinda swung Thayer's way.Seems like Liberty and Thayer are kinda coming from the same place.Use to be who was gonna be last.Now whenever Thayer plays any SCA team and Thayer is up.I say "Put it to them".
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Post by jordanearl on Aug 12, 2016 8:15:13 GMT -6
I know that's the case for you Grovers, seeing as how you talk about that "Tradition of Excellence" so often. well it is our Motto so...........and by the way this is our 100th season of Panther football
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Post by joefish on Aug 12, 2016 20:37:08 GMT -6
Hey Slomo, I'll be in KC shortly to pick u up!
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