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Post by BearUp on Aug 17, 2021 16:58:47 GMT -6
And what’s your reasoning for that? Class 2 currently looks pretty weak if it stays the same as last year. Well, Maryville is most likely moving down. MvL and Ava will knock out the weaker team (that day anyway) in district play. And there's always the best team from last year in Lamar right there waiting. They have only lost once against the SCA since 2010. I would also say Lutheran St Charles and Lift for Life are threats as well. "Weak" is absolutely the wrong word lol I get it, there's no LN or BO like in the early 2010s. But weak isn't the word I'd use. I guess I was referring to previous years. I think Liberty or Ava has a great chance at a deep run. Lamar is good but I’m not sold they’re as good as they were in the past (but they’re still good) and thankfully Lutheran North moved up although I doubt they can keep their recruiting at the level they did on their 2019 team that had several D1 and SEC recruits on it. |
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Post by slomo on Aug 17, 2021 19:17:54 GMT -6
Now that we are in Dead week for schools and Camps and such are over....has anyone's opinion changed? Yes, I find it confusing how people think Ava or Liberty Mountain View can make a deep run in class 2. (Assuming Ava moves back down) If they also think Thayer can win the conference. I just want that to make sense. I've seen that on the Facebook group on SCA trash talk, and on here. Honestly I think last year the top of C1 was as good if not better than the top of C2. Last year in a game of Windsor vs Lamar, I might just take Windsor. |
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Post by mofootball23 on Aug 17, 2021 20:35:44 GMT -6
Yes, I find it confusing how people think Ava or Liberty Mountain View can make a deep run in class 2. (Assuming Ava moves back down) If they also think Thayer can win the conference. I just want that to make sense. I've seen that on the Facebook group on SCA trash talk, and on here. Honestly I think last year the top of C1 was as good if not better than the top of C2. Last year in a game of Windsor vs Lamar, I might just take Windsor. Watched all games of state last year. Those boys would have been eaten alive by Lamar’s lines. They wouldn’t have scored. |
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Post by mofootball23 on Aug 17, 2021 20:40:30 GMT -6
Well, Maryville is most likely moving down. MvL and Ava will knock out the weaker team (that day anyway) in district play. And there's always the best team from last year in Lamar right there waiting. They have only lost once against the SCA since 2010. I would also say Lutheran St Charles and Lift for Life are threats as well. "Weak" is absolutely the wrong word lol I get it, there's no LN or BO like in the early 2010s. But weak isn't the word I'd use. I guess I was referring to previous years. I think Liberty or Ava has a great chance at a deep run. Lamar is good but I’m not sold they’re as good as they were in the past (but they’re still good) and thankfully Lutheran North moved up although I doubt they can keep their recruiting at the level they did on their 2019 team that had several D1 and SEC recruits on it. Lamar in 2015, and 2016 could’ve beaten anyone in class 1-3. So yes they aren’t THAT good. You’re right. I’ve seen every game of middle school and High school since my first boy went though his freshman year in 2009. I promise you outside of having 5-6 boys as big as the Wooldridge boy LMV got to see last year, this team is on the up. That junior class is a top 5 class overall Lamar has ever had. And the freshman team never lost a game since flag football. This is returning to form. The athleticism is definitely back. That’s for sure. We were down for two years, and Bailey didn’t like the attitude of two straight classes. But the football mindset is back, and the attitude is gone. Barring any injuries, I don’t think if both a SCA team and Lamar are both healthy and play a SCA school is getting past them. That’s one of the few points I was getting at. Unless if a deep run Is the first game past districts. I DO think AVA is the best non private school Lamar could play this year. I think AVA is who I’m most excited to see. I love the way AVA plays. |
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Post by mosooner on Aug 18, 2021 20:39:26 GMT -6
Here are my predictions (blind guesses) and the order that will be used to give Bonus Points for your one lock pick in the pickem contest
I think the top four could finish in any order.... Five and Six could go either way... Enjoy getting Willow now, because its only a matter of time... Houston will be physical but they have NO depth....
1. Thayer
2. Ava (these guys are good, really good)
3. Liberty
4. Grove (think these guys could finish higher but really cant pick them ahead of the three others)
5. Cabool
6. Salem
7. Willow
8. Houston
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Post by slomo on Aug 19, 2021 7:36:19 GMT -6
Honestly I think last year the top of C1 was as good if not better than the top of C2. Last year in a game of Windsor vs Lamar, I might just take Windsor. Watched all games of state last year. Those boys would have been eaten alive by Lamar’s lines. They wouldn’t have scored. I just don't know about that. I know Liberty got a lot better late in the year but they lost to Thayer 27-0, and lost to Lamar 32-8. I watched Liberty play everyone, watched Thayer play a lot of folks, and watched Windsor play Cabool, Thayer, and Mid Buc. I watched Lamar against Liberty and St. Pius. Would Windsor win? Not sure but they would have definitely scored. It would have been a close game. |
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Post by mofootball23 on Aug 19, 2021 8:18:24 GMT -6
Watched all games of state last year. Those boys would have been eaten alive by Lamar’s lines. They wouldn’t have scored. I just don't know about that. I know Liberty got a lot better late in the year but they lost to Thayer 27-0, and lost to Lamar 32-8. I watched Liberty play everyone, watched Thayer play a lot of folks, and watched Windsor play Cabool, Thayer, and Mid Buc. I watched Lamar against Liberty and St. Pius. Would Windsor win? Not sure but they would have definitely scored. It would have been a close game. Nope. Lamar outweighs those boys by a ton. Those boys play in a shot gun offense where every play they are desperately fighting off defenders to get the QB time to throw. Wooldridge would have had 5-6 sacks. All of those boys look class 1. They play class 1. My comment a few days ago. Boils down to this, if a small boy/class 1 Thayer is going to beat a very improved Ava and MVL for conference, then how does anyone think either of those class 2 teams will beat last year states champions? St.Puis had one of the best defenses Lamar has played over the past 6 years. They were big, fast, and stayed in the run lanes with extreme discipline. All experts who predicted that game were wrong. Lamar’s Defense is almost all back. If that effort is given against any class one team? You think they are scoring more then St. Puis? I Promise you ST. Puis QB and passing game per class 2/3 schedule is better then Windsor or the others you mentioned. |
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Post by slomo on Aug 19, 2021 14:18:55 GMT -6
It's a moot point, but all I know is what I saw. I know last year score comparisons were a bit of a wash due to the pandemic but another eye popping little score comparison I thought about when pondering this question was the Butler vs Adrian score last year. This is a long drawn out point but Butler beat Adrian by 6 in the regular season last year then lost by a touchdown to Pius in the playoffs. Pius lost to Lamar by 3. Meanwhile C1 runner up Mid Buc beat Adrian by about 50 in the playoffs.
Sooooo if Lamar is supposed to be multiple touchdowns better than Windsor, just by score comparisons I think you can make the case against that. Also FWIW, C2 was down last year in comparison to where it was in the past decade or so. I think that was probably Lamar's least talented state champ team, now that is holding nothing against them no one will ever be able to take that championship away from them, they earned it. I just think that Windsor team was an all time team for them, while on the other hand that Lamar team from last year probably doesn't win a state title in any of the years before 2020.
Final off hand note, I wouldn't say Windsor runs a passing offense. It's far more run heavy and actually very similar to Lamar's offense.
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Post by mofootball23 on Aug 19, 2021 16:11:51 GMT -6
Look Slo Mo all of this is a moot point, no one can definitely say anything about last year for certain. What did happen was Lamar won a title with their youngest team. It’s impossible to state anything else otherwise. Not sure what or why any of this was argued but it’s pointless. We will see and I’ll accept any form for apology when Lamar is even more improved this season and does beat the SCA team yet again.
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Post by BearUp on Aug 19, 2021 16:28:04 GMT -6
It's a moot point, but all I know is what I saw. I know last year score comparisons were a bit of a wash due to the pandemic but another eye popping little score comparison I thought about when pondering this question was the Butler vs Adrian score last year. This is a long drawn out point but Butler beat Adrian by 6 in the regular season last year then lost by a touchdown to Pius in the playoffs. Pius lost to Lamar by 3. Meanwhile C1 runner up Mid Buc beat Adrian by about 50 in the playoffs. Sooooo if Lamar is supposed to be multiple touchdowns better than Windsor, just by score comparisons I think you can make the case against that. Also FWIW, C2 was down last year in comparison to where it was in the past decade or so. I think that was probably Lamar's least talented state champ team, now that is holding nothing against them no one will ever be able to take that championship away from them, they earned it. I just think that Windsor team was an all time team for them, while on the other hand that Lamar team from last year probably doesn't win a state title in any of the years before 2020. Final off hand note, I wouldn't say Windsor runs a passing offense. It's far more run heavy and actually very similar to Lamar's offense. You are kinda playing a game where my points are being ignored while going against your own arguments and standards for looking at talent. You don’t watch every Lamar game. Guess who does and has for over a decade? Me. I’m telling you if you are going to give excuses for last year. Then doesn’t Lamar get those? Lamar was young and almost every position was overtaken by a sophomore. Did you know that? No, I doubt it. I’m not really offended I’m just not sure why you are talking out of your butt about a team you know nothing about. I don’t know much about Windsor but I’d bet my house and car Lamar would beat them. But what’s actually moot is this argument, wished I kept it on subject lol It’s dumb. Just keep the same energy when trying to make points. Well I’m glad you’re not offended! That’s the worst thing someone can be nowadays. But I would gladly take you up on your bet with Lamar and Windsor. That game looks more like a toss up than the shutout you’re describing. I also think Thayer would have defeated Lamar last year as well in a close game. Nothing against Lamar, I just think you’re looking down too much on some of these teams. |
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Post by mofootball23 on Aug 19, 2021 16:31:00 GMT -6
You are kinda playing a game where my points are being ignored while going against your own arguments and standards for looking at talent. You don’t watch every Lamar game. Guess who does and has for over a decade? Me. I’m telling you if you are going to give excuses for last year. Then doesn’t Lamar get those? Lamar was young and almost every position was overtaken by a sophomore. Did you know that? No, I doubt it. I’m not really offended I’m just not sure why you are talking out of your butt about a team you know nothing about. I don’t know much about Windsor but I’d bet my house and car Lamar would beat them. But what’s actually moot is this argument, wished I kept it on subject lol It’s dumb. Just keep the same energy when trying to make points. Well I’m glad you’re not offended! That’s the worst thing someone can be nowadays. But I would gladly take you up on your bet with Lamar and Windsor. That game looks more like a toss up than the shutout you’re describing. I also think Thayer would have defeated Lamar last year as well in a close game. Nothing against Lamar, I just think you’re looking down too much on some of these teams. No, I just understand the difference between Lamar football and two small class 1 teams with small lines. |
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Post by bonehead on Aug 19, 2021 20:34:17 GMT -6
Thayer was not defeating Lamar last year.
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Post by mosooner on Aug 19, 2021 21:02:00 GMT -6
Lamar may have not what they were in the past but they are still really good. They have good size, they are extremely physical and all they know how to do is win. From what I saw of them and seeing Windsor on video... I would take Lamar by a couple of TDs. Just my worthless opinion...
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Post by mghs on Aug 20, 2021 4:55:22 GMT -6
Windsor was not beating Lamar….maybe 1 out of 10 tries. But that is it. Thayer wasn’t beating Lamar either.
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Post by slomo on Aug 20, 2021 12:01:39 GMT -6
We will see and I’ll accept any form for apology when Lamar is even more improved this season and does beat the SCA team yet again. I'm not sure what I'd be apologizing for but you got it |
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