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Post by bears79 on Feb 26, 2022 14:50:13 GMT -6
That’s a bit of an understatement!!! Why? Wyatt is no spring chicken and taking on a massive rebuild with no player support was a long long process. He made the wise decision. The wise decision would have been never to come back to his home town if he wasn’t committed to the rebuild in the first place. |
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Post by mghs on Feb 26, 2022 20:46:06 GMT -6
Why? Wyatt is no spring chicken and taking on a massive rebuild with no player support was a long long process. He made the wise decision. So,you ,yourself would have no problem leaving MG,and start wanting another team to win over Grove? We had Ary leave Grove and you can’t believe the investments and support he got. While we hated it, for Ary it was a wise decision. We wished him well and supported his decision and hated it at the same time, but why hold a grudge? |
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Post by mghs on Feb 26, 2022 20:51:27 GMT -6
Why? Wyatt is no spring chicken and taking on a massive rebuild with no player support was a long long process. He made the wise decision. The wise decision would have been never to come back to his home town if he wasn’t committed to the rebuild in the first place. I’d say it’s possible that the rebuild became bigger than expected when the talent decided to not play. If the athletes are not invested then why should the coach work harder on a lost cause than the students? |
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Post by dew on Feb 26, 2022 20:57:19 GMT -6
This whole thing reminds me of a danged old Ford truck. Everyone knows the things wrong with it, nobody can fix it ....
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Post by bears79 on Feb 26, 2022 21:48:59 GMT -6
So,you ,yourself would have no problem leaving MG,and start wanting another team to win over Grove? We had Ary leave Grove and you can’t believe the investments and support he got. While we hated it, for Ary it was a wise decision. We wished him well and supported his decision and hated it at the same time, but why hold a grudge? Couple of differences there. First, Ary, isn’t from Grove. He didn’t go to Grove and give them one year and move on to a better situation. He had stayed at grove and won at grove. But, if we are being honest here, just like when he was at willow, Ary was getting heat from certain people because he wasn’t making it further in the playoffs. |
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Post by bonehead on Feb 26, 2022 22:54:55 GMT -6
Good points 79. In a sense Grove and Willow are similar, both are chasing days of Ary. Ary got them both to a great place and people got greedy and expected more. Neither place has been able to recreate those days since.
And Liberty is pretty much doing that same thing now with the days of Acklin. Thayer will be with Weber.
Ava will be there at some point.
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Post by mghs on Feb 27, 2022 2:06:15 GMT -6
We had Ary leave Grove and you can’t believe the investments and support he got. While we hated it, for Ary it was a wise decision. We wished him well and supported his decision and hated it at the same time, but why hold a grudge? Couple of differences there. First, Ary, isn’t from Grove. He didn’t go to Grove and give them one year and move on to a better situation. He had stayed at grove and won at grove. But, if we are being honest here, just like when he was at willow, Ary was getting heat from certain people because he wasn’t making it further in the playoffs. I get that Wyatt being from WS has some bearing on the aspect of the situations , but on the Flip side it cuts both ways. It’s possible the situation and full totality of the state of WS in regard to football might not of been fully known or related to him. |
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Post by mghs on Feb 27, 2022 2:10:28 GMT -6
Good points 79. In a sense Grove and Willow are similar, both are chasing days of Ary. Ary got them both to a great place and people got greedy and expected more. Neither place has been able to recreate those days since. And Liberty is pretty much doing that same thing now with the days of Acklin. Thayer will be with Weber. Ava will be there at some point. I agree on some parts of your statement about chasing Ary..but not on others. At Grove Ary had a lifetime contract and there was no desire for him to move on. Money and up ward mobility was the reason he left. |
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Post by dew on Feb 27, 2022 13:00:42 GMT -6
Good points 79. In a sense Grove and Willow are similar, both are chasing days of Ary. Ary got them both to a great place and people got greedy and expected more. Neither place has been able to recreate those days since. And Liberty is pretty much doing that same thing now with the days of Acklin. Thayer will be with Weber. Ava will be there at some point. Before Ary people spent 30 years waiting on the next David Meek as well. Do fans and parents expect more and make comparisons? Absolutely. But guys and gals any coach in any school not just these mentioned are going to face that in any town. Even Roderique at Webb City gets compared to Kurt Thompson (i think is who was there before). Nick Saban gets scrutinized to Bear Bryant. Is it right? But do we all do it? So how can it be ran away from?? And what do most people do when they go through a withdrawal? They hang on to it. When a source of that withdrawal comes back you embrace it, should it be a good thing. When the last good experience you had comes to town you once again remember yesteryear and are ready to invest in that good thing, not just get a taste of it and cry when it's gone. Sounds like I'm talking about alcohol or anything bad but all this is about the same comparison. So what we thought was good is once again going to be gone and of course reactions and emotions will be everywhere. But I'll tell you this, I'm not going to the next town to chase it |
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Post by bmac on Feb 27, 2022 16:37:21 GMT -6
why wouldnt Wyatt leave.... it was a no win situation. yes it's that bad! the one place ther was a bright light was weight room. Wyatt is the master of that an sources around say that has been big plus. I personal am not upset he left anyone of us would of done exact same thing!! I do believe our best fit would be Vince Mcrosky.
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Post by mghs on Feb 27, 2022 23:08:17 GMT -6
This whole thing reminds me of a danged old Ford truck. Everyone knows the things wrong with it, nobody can fix it .... I think this mentality is why WS struggles with football coach's some of ya all seem to have a bent sideways outlook on things!!! Maybe you should do some research and look at reliability rankings for Trucks....  get a clear logical view of how things really are and then apply that to Finding a coach!  |
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Post by mghs on Feb 27, 2022 23:29:47 GMT -6
Good points 79. In a sense Grove and Willow are similar, both are chasing days of Ary. Ary got them both to a great place and people got greedy and expected more. Neither place has been able to recreate those days since. And Liberty is pretty much doing that same thing now with the days of Acklin. Thayer will be with Weber. Ava will be there at some point. Before Ary people spent 30 years waiting on the next David Meek as well. Do fans and parents expect more and make comparisons? Absolutely. But guys and gals any coach in any school not just these mentioned are going to face that in any town. Even Roderique at Webb City gets compared to Kurt Thompson (i think is who was there before). Nick Saban gets scrutinized to Bear Bryant. Is it right? But do we all do it? So how can it be ran away from?? And what do most people do when they go through a withdrawal? They hang on to it. When a source of that withdrawal comes back you embrace it, should it be a good thing. When the last good experience you had comes to town you once again remember yesteryear and are ready to invest in that good thing, not just get a taste of it and cry when it's gone. Sounds like I'm talking about alcohol or anything bad but all this is about the same comparison. So what we thought was good is once again going to be gone and of course reactions and emotions will be everywhere. But I'll tell you this, I'm not going to the next town to chase it Dew I'm being serious..outside of the Ary era When was WS really a football haven? I Spent my whole life in the SCA and I can tell you that WS never ever was really at the top of the Football hierarchy of the SCA in football. Nobody circled that game as the team to beat outside of that Ary window.... and I get it fan's show up and watch on Friday nights in WS that is not uncommon even in towns without a long standing football tradition. Friday night football is often a event with the band, good food and some great conversation. But in my life time WS has always been a basketball school and that is what they have been known for and I really believe that culturally that is what the Student body clearly focuses on, if not they would play and go through the grind of football 365. I know for the Football diehards like you this is a bitter pill to swallow and I feel your pain, but the issue is a lack of support from within that is clearly the problem at WS. I'm not saying WS can't ever be relevant in football again, if you guys hire the right guy and the Students decide to value the program and actually invest in football then WS can be good again. But if the student athletes walking the hall won't play or put for the effort then nothing will change.....and let's be real if those students want to approach Football as a finesse sport and want it to be coached that way or they won't play then this is what you are going to get.....coaches wanting to move to a place where Football is #1 and culturally ingrained into the community. I get your desire to harken back to the AE times and that level of success which was way outside the Norm of WS football historically... maybe your expectations should be more in line with WS having a competitive team 2/3 times a decade and making the district final once a decade. In reality that has been the WS norm in the modern era of football. |
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Post by mghs on Feb 27, 2022 23:33:14 GMT -6
why wouldnt Wyatt leave.... it was a no win situation. yes it's that bad! the one place ther was a bright light was weight room. Wyatt is the master of that an sources around say that has been big plus. I personal am not upset he left anyone of us would of done exact same thing!! I do believe our best fit would be Vince Mcrosky. He can coach no doubt....but how is his health? Being a HC can be very stressful and be a grind even on the Healthy. |
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Post by bmac on Feb 28, 2022 10:44:30 GMT -6
health is best it's been. this would also help in not rushing into something or someone.
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Post by bonehead on Feb 28, 2022 10:52:03 GMT -6
Good news for willow is they have some time this time around. They can see what interest is out there and not have to jump on something quickly.
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get a clear logical view of how things really are and then apply that to Finding a coach! 