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Post by commenter on Mar 1, 2022 21:39:45 GMT -6
Been an interesting few days around WP. Not as much excitement as I guessed, but Perkins was very well liked around here. A lot of parents have heard horror stories from parents in WS about how last year went for their kids. We will see if his style translates to a school that is already used to winning. If not it could be another rough year for him. Personally I think he will adjust because that's what good coaches do. I am very interested in seeing how this transition goes. Perkins and Wyatt could not be more opposite of each other. This is the first place Wyatt has come into where they have had success and he just needs to build off of that. The other places he has been head coach they had been bad, and he had to start from the ground up. This is not that place. Adjusting on the field is a major strength of Wyatt. Adjusting to parents/kids/an established culture? That will be what makes or breaks him. Well said! I hope he takes this on as a new challenge he hasn't faced before. |
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Post by mghs on Mar 1, 2022 23:16:57 GMT -6
Been an interesting few days around WP. Not as much excitement as I guessed, but Perkins was very well liked around here. A lot of parents have heard horror stories from parents in WS about how last year went for their kids. We will see if his style translates to a school that is already used to winning. If not it could be another rough year for him. Personally I think he will adjust because that's what good coaches do. Wyatt style is fine...I'd say the issue is the WS parents and Players, that's been the issue for a long time, as a coach I'd be really cautious about taking a job there, that is my opinion. Wyatt simply demands commitment, a work ethic and buying in to the program. He will praise you and admonish you if need be. I think there will be adjustments on both sides at WP. |
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Post by mghs on Mar 1, 2022 23:18:39 GMT -6
Been an interesting few days around WP. Not as much excitement as I guessed, but Perkins was very well liked around here. A lot of parents have heard horror stories from parents in WS about how last year went for their kids. We will see if his style translates to a school that is already used to winning. If not it could be another rough year for him. Personally I think he will adjust because that's what good coaches do. I’m curious what the horror stories are? Were they complaining that he coaches too hard? Yep....he coached to hard, trying to instill the values and mindset needed to win on the football field. It's strange that a huge portion of WS wants to win on the gridiron but they clearly have no clue that football isn't GOLF or Basketball. |
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Post by mghs on Mar 1, 2022 23:21:27 GMT -6
Wyatt is pretty immune to Momma Karen's....if the truth and honest evaluation is considered degrading then yeah he coached to hard.
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Post by bmac on Mar 1, 2022 23:44:53 GMT -6
Amen
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Post by bonehead on Mar 2, 2022 0:27:06 GMT -6
Wyatt is pretty immune to Momma Karen's....if the truth and honest evaluation is considered degrading then yeah he coached to hard. Definitely true. But you are missing the big point here. WP people are already having concerns about this hire and Wyatt has not even stepped onto the field yet. That has that makings of problems down the road. |
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Post by johnnyringo on Mar 2, 2022 10:34:52 GMT -6
But so many are excited to have Coach Wyatt in WP, more parents in the program excited to have him than not. Negative comments I have read are from ppl who don't have a dog in the fight. And if player or the parent is soft, probably going to need to get off the train Karen.
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Post by commenter on Mar 2, 2022 12:05:04 GMT -6
You're probably right! I know that I personally see a lot more good than bad with the hiring. Just sharing what I've been hearing.
But what is WS gonna do? Are the guys that DEW mentioned still on staff there? If they are young and from there it could be good. Who else in the area would take it? Hard to imagine anybody moving to WS for that job but I don't get all teh inner workings there
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Post by bonehead on Mar 2, 2022 13:18:15 GMT -6
It is my understanding that Carter is no longer with the school. The other guys I am not sure.
I would think option 1 is find someone from outside the district.
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Post by BearUp on Mar 2, 2022 13:18:32 GMT -6
But so many are excited to have Coach Wyatt in WP, more parents in the program excited to have him than not. Negative comments I have read are from ppl who don't have a dog in the fight. And if player or the parent is soft, probably going to need to get off the train Karen. What negative comments do they have about the guy? His record at previous schools is outstanding. You can’t count his record last year against him. It takes roughly 4-8 years to build a program back up as a coach inheriting a bad situation. If kids are too soft to be coached then sports probably aren’t for them. I’m very impressed with Wyatt, I’m sad he left Willow but wish him the best in WP. Whoever Willow hires next, I wish them good luck and hope the parents and community will let them coach and give them the time needed to build a program because it doesn’t happen overnight in public schools where you can’t recruit. |
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Post by mghs on Mar 2, 2022 15:53:02 GMT -6
Wyatt is pretty immune to Momma Karen's....if the truth and honest evaluation is considered degrading then yeah he coached to hard. Definitely true. But you are missing the big point here. WP people are already having concerns about this hire and Wyatt has not even stepped onto the field yet. That has that makings of problems down the road. I agree it could be a issue I never disputed that at all it could be a huge issue if he doesn’t win fast and has to fight behind the scene battles. Sort of Sad that WS parents and students poisoned the well. Not shocking he wanted out. |
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Post by bmac on Mar 2, 2022 16:57:03 GMT -6
it's all bunch bs we are what we created as a whole. give man created for even trying who knows who even wants too. let it all go an be happy for a him. wife showed me some of those bumb arse comments on foos book folks who don't even live around here anymore chiming in how it's downgrade for wp poop on that.
I had my own issue w him when I was in school but lots kids get upset or mad about stuff but u get over it an not try to bash a man that is a future hall fame all the way just because some hurt butts. get over it!!
boney Carter is a personal trainer now. we have McCrosky still I don't know if Pitts an wake are still coaches or not but I'd say they are. Johnson was the other that left when Carter did he had alot upside as an AC.
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Post by dew on Mar 2, 2022 17:32:17 GMT -6
Guess we just need to shut the school down and send our kids to the rest of the sca so we can get the poisons out of our system...
Show me a town, anywhere, that doesn't have the same issues as willow when it comes to parents, kids or boosters. Some towns are worse than others. Yes some things in willow need fixed in that regard. But there's turmoil to some level in every town and you all know it. Give me a break. No coach running away from this town for those reasons is going to escape that anywhere,hs college or whatever. And west plains is definitely not paradise in that regard.
Im done with this. Moving on to seeing what we hire
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Post by mghs on Mar 2, 2022 23:45:09 GMT -6
Dew you are correct every town has Politics and issues, and it can really cycle UP or DOWN depending on the Parents, Students and Administration. Get a good Group of Parents/Students who are bought in with a motivated Administration and everything will Smooth out and be fine.
Nobody is saying WS should shut down the Program. What is needed is a change of Culture in regard to football and what it takes to win. That is why I keep pointing out that WS has a basketball culture mentality. It upsets you and frustrates you to a huge degree but it is a honest, truthful analysis on my part. And if WS wants to fix the football program then the Culture at the Root level is going to have to be fixed. Being Coached hard, being Gritty and Tough, having a Weight Room lust is a must for the Players and it must be the expectation of the Parents and Community and excepting less should be frowned upon.
Other Sports are easier, Basketball and Baseball basically boils down to some fine tuning in practices and going and playing games in Leagues and Camps all summer. Load up go play games and compete...hang out with friends between games and after, have some fun eat pizza etc. Football is a bit different. You have to grind it out all year in the weight room mostly competing against yourself in self improvement. You get little praise or acknowledgement in those weight rooms. Sure you go to a camp or two over summer but it's not the same, its hot gritty and tough and you receive little fan acknowledgement for the work. Some students and parents are not vested in that. Some are. A lot depends on as I've pointed out the Culture in the Community.
Getting the right coach can help in that Regard but really if the truth be told, and according to a the Book by Joseph G. Pacelli Building your high school football program in Pursuit of Excellence....if a school isn't 100% bought in with the community, administration and Parents/Students. Then no matter how Great the Staff and Coach are it can be a near impossible task of creating a winning program.
To me if WS is going to get back to being a Football school then First and Foremost Football has to be the Number One sport for the Student Athletes and their Parents. If you have that and they do the work then even a average coach will have some success. If those Parents and Players are not football first and looking for a excuse to walk away to play a easier sport then the coach has a uphill battle of epic proportion.
I don't doubt you when you say there is a hardcore group of WS fans who love football and show up and support the program. But that is not enough if those who have the greatest influence on the Players and the Players themselves don't share that passion and demand football excellence.
I hope the right group of Players and Parents rises up and buys in to football no matter the coach and lifts the program up from this funk that WS has been in.
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Post by commenter on Mar 3, 2022 12:49:30 GMT -6
Let's be real. As fans, our say don't matter when it comes to picking a coach. But what qualities would it take to win at a place like WS?
When Ary came to wp we were excited because he was a proven winner, kids liked him, he got buy-in from the community, and he brought energy to a program that was stagnant and even he didn't win a game here in year 1. Perkins did a real good job of keeping the energy and buzz going even though he was a lot different from Ary.
I don't know how many coaches have been at ws since they were good but it seems like a lot. What would willow guys want in the next head football coach?
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