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Post by mofootballfan23 on Oct 3, 2022 8:14:12 GMT -6
Seneca gives up a lot of points, no doubt. But, to be fair they score a lot of points. They are not undefeated by accident. They do a great job of capitalizing on mistakes. Both by their opponents and officials. (Heck, they made a fair catch and returned it for a TD vs us) All moaning aside, they are very good, especially on the offensive side of the ball. And while I do think RS deserves some credit, some of what the Lamar folks speak is the truth. Lamar put the ball on the ground and made mistakes you hardly ever see out of the Tigers that night. Man, we had 5 opportunities for getting a ball put on the ground, by us and by Seneca. We also gave them 2 extended drives by jumping off sides on 4th downs early on. We should’ve kept that 14-0 start to the game. Yeah, Reeds did play one of their better games of the past few years. I re watched it yesterday. Lamar may be the only team to keep them under 40 points all year. I have a feeling they will have a rougher go at it on offense if they face Lamar again. Just my opinion. |
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Post by jordanearl on Oct 3, 2022 9:28:20 GMT -6
If Liberty keeps this up, I don’t see why they couldn’t beat Seneca. Even if Seneca plays a good game. Their defense consistently allows big plays and 20+ points a game as the season progresses. They have a hard time with the pass. Liberty flourishes with the pass. I’m very intrigued how the big 8 and SCA continues to play out. No disrespect to Reeds. But outside of smacking around Springfield Catholic (every team in the Big 8 and SCA could do that) they haven’t been that explosive all season. I think it’s an uglier game that Lamar lost than I originally thought. I knew Lamar should’ve won. It happens. Hats off to Seneca on capitalizing on Lamar’s mistakes. But I think Liberty might just get that rematch with Lamar like posted about last week. lol just an observation. It’s still early, injuries can happen. It’s football (anything is possible on a Friday night). Just keeping the board alive! disagree on the passing game. they had a few completions. their offense revolves around Ripko.(he was prolly 80% or so of their offense) they create a lot of Gadget plays to get the ball in his hands. and if you key on him then Pruitt will hit you for a long run. Their biggest weakness is their pass defense. They shut our run game down and was able to really key on playing the deep passes. |
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Post by thunderstruck on Oct 3, 2022 10:43:33 GMT -6
If Liberty keeps this up, I don’t see why they couldn’t beat Seneca. Even if Seneca plays a good game. Their defense consistently allows big plays and 20+ points a game as the season progresses. They have a hard time with the pass. Liberty flourishes with the pass. I’m very intrigued how the big 8 and SCA continues to play out. No disrespect to Reeds. But outside of smacking around Springfield Catholic (every team in the Big 8 and SCA could do that) they haven’t been that explosive all season. I think it’s an uglier game that Lamar lost than I originally thought. I knew Lamar should’ve won. It happens. Hats off to Seneca on capitalizing on Lamar’s mistakes. But I think Liberty might just get that rematch with Lamar like posted about last week. lol just an observation. It’s still early, injuries can happen. It’s football (anything is possible on a Friday night). Just keeping the board alive! disagree on the passing game. they had a few completions. their offense revolves around Ripko.(he was prolly 80% or so of their offense) they create a lot of Gadget plays to get the ball in his hands. and if you key on him then Pruitt will hit you for a long run. Their biggest weakness is their pass defense. They shut our run game down and was able to really key on playing the deep passes. Agree JE, Elliott was far and away the best QB Liberty has faced this year. It looked like Grove was trying to be balanced in the run/pass game. I'm kinda surprised they didn't loosen the reigns and let the QB chuck it all over the field and abandoned the run game altogether. |
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Post by mofootballfan23 on Oct 3, 2022 11:01:40 GMT -6
disagree on the passing game. they had a few completions. their offense revolves around Ripko.(he was prolly 80% or so of their offense) they create a lot of Gadget plays to get the ball in his hands. and if you key on him then Pruitt will hit you for a long run. Their biggest weakness is their pass defense. They shut our run game down and was able to really key on playing the deep passes. Agree JE, Elliott was far and away the best QB Liberty has faced this year. It looked like Grove was trying to be balanced in the run/pass game. I'm kinda surprised they didn't loosen the reigns and let the QB chuck it all over the field and abandoned the run game altogether. Doesn’t bode well for a run for MG if it’s that weak, and you guys count take advantage of it enough to win. I think we as fans should try out differing phrases. You kinda made it sound like they’re a 2 guy show and can’t defend the pass, but yet MG and everyone else in the SCA can’t beat them. That’s how I take it anyways. I’m wrong? I guessed I assumed they can pass based on maxpreps stats. I did only watch two of their games afterwards. They passed well in those. Maybe regardless they are a opportunity passing team? If that’s the case? That can be lethal if it works. So I guess a lot is up for interpretation |
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Post by jordanearl on Oct 3, 2022 11:32:08 GMT -6
Agree JE, Elliott was far and away the best QB Liberty has faced this year. It looked like Grove was trying to be balanced in the run/pass game. I'm kinda surprised they didn't loosen the reigns and let the QB chuck it all over the field and abandoned the run game altogether. Doesn’t bode well for a run for MG if it’s that weak, and you guys count take advantage of it enough to win. I think we as fans should try out differing phrases. You kinda made it sound like they’re a 2 guy show and can’t defend the pass, but yet MG and everyone else in the SCA can’t beat them. That’s how I take it anyways. I’m wrong? I guessed I assumed they can pass based on maxpreps stats. I did only watch two of their games afterwards. They passed well in those. Maybe regardless they are a opportunity passing team? If that’s the case? That can be lethal if it works. So I guess a lot is up for interpretation i wouldn't say its necessarily weak. just that Liberty was very well prepared for our run game. and reread my post and take the chip off your shoulder. I said their biggest weakness was on pass defense. I didn't say they were terrible. we had a lot of yards thru the air, dropped a uncontested TD pass in first half. and had a second one very well defended to knock the ball away at last second. lots of coulda woulda shudda, but if we catch those 2 very well thrown balls then the premise is that the pass defense made the game a tie ball game. and I will stand behind that offensively you are a 2 man show. if you took away Ripko and Pruiett Liberty would be a lot like last year. Thats not an insult, its saying they got 2 damn good football players that are all over the field making plays. |
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Post by daddue11 on Oct 3, 2022 15:56:25 GMT -6
Let me get this straight , You didn't see how our defensive line was manhandling your guys offensive line ? Hell most of the tackles were made behind or at the l.o.s. . Grove had a handfull of decent runs but still didn't capitalise on them as most teams would Our D-line shut you down . In the second our offensive line was shutting Grove defense down , We were running on you all at will . I guarantee if it was planned to be a passing game on our part then it would have been just as deadly . Both teams dropped passes that should have been tds so you can't use that excuse . We had 20 unanswered points in the second half and that was a total team effort no one or even 2 man shows could accomplish that and you guys couldn't defend against it . It seems like there's alot of people on this site that like to end there compliments with but ifs and only ifs and your insult of saying that we're a 2 man show , maybe that's how Grove works but when you play Liberty you get the WHOLE SHOW and no other team has handled it yet , not even the Mighty GROVE . I'm sure that your coaches would even agree .
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Post by eagletimer on Oct 3, 2022 17:33:00 GMT -6
Sure our biggest offensive play makers are Rip and Pruett,,, but ask teams that have double teamed Rip, It hasn't worked out. Reese,Acklin and Frazier got hands and can run. Split Pruett out and let Reese throw it. I realize only seeing one game you might not see all that. But it is not just a two man offense. As for not throwing the ball that much against Grove, your best athletes are in your secondary, so running the ball against Grove was the way to beat them. Grove by far the best team we faced this year. I'm waiting for the Grove Houston match-up
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Post by mofootballfan23 on Oct 3, 2022 17:44:10 GMT -6
I wasn’t trying to reignite a MG Vs Liberty argument, I just can’t figure out this conference this year. It just seems from an outside perspective it’s Liberty’s to lose. MG last year and this year (some of last year wasn’t known until they got going I get it) were on the path and track for this year being the year. It doesn’t look like it. And I would’ve predicted 5-6 wins for Liberty before the season WITH the caveat that MORE wins would be possible. Ava was hit by the graduation and injury bug this year. But I had them finishing second because of the program. And now Houston being undefeated congrats to them. It’s just hard to sort out this year. Like I said, Liberty looks like the favorites in my eyes. Could absolutely be wrong. MG needs to prove to me. Last year they got hot, can they do it again? To me that’s what it would take.
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Post by daddue11 on Oct 3, 2022 19:55:19 GMT -6
No arguments just opinions , we can agree to disagree . I agree with the confusion about the conference it's alot different than alot of people thaught it would be like at this point . Houston has blasted onto the winners circle in a big way very unexpected to most of us and it might come down to the last game of the schedule to see who will be the conference champion except it won't be the two teams that people thaught it would be . The thing is it can all change in the Conference playoffs . It's hard for the ones that thaught their team would be in the top tier and find out that it's not happening like they thaught it would . It's all in fun .
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Post by BearUp on Oct 3, 2022 21:48:17 GMT -6
No arguments just opinions , we can agree to disagree . I agree with the confusion about the conference it's alot different than alot of people thaught it would be like at this point . Houston has blasted onto the winners circle in a big way very unexpected to most of us and it might come down to the last game of the schedule to see who will be the conference champion except it won't be the two teams that people thaught it would be . The thing is it can all change in the Conference playoffs . It's hard for the ones that thaught their team would be in the top tier and find out that it's not happening like they thaught it would . It's all in fun . Liberty and Grove should beat Houston by 20+. Houston is much improved over typical Houston teams but they haven’t played anyone yet. |
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Post by mghs on Oct 3, 2022 23:27:22 GMT -6
Let me get this straight , You didn't see how our defensive line was manhandling your guys offensive line ? Hell most of the tackles were made behind or at the l.o.s. . Grove had a handfull of decent runs but still didn't capitalise on them as most teams would Our D-line shut you down . In the second our offensive line was shutting Grove defense down , We were running on you all at will . I guarantee if it was planned to be a passing game on our part then it would have been just as deadly . Both teams dropped passes that should have been tds so you can't use that excuse . We had 20 unanswered points in the second half and that was a total team effort no one or even 2 man shows could accomplish that and you guys couldn't defend against it . It seems like there's alot of people on this site that like to end there compliments with but ifs and only ifs and your insult of saying that we're a 2 man show , maybe that's how Grove works but when you play Liberty you get the WHOLE SHOW and no other team has handled it yet , not even the Mighty GROVE . I'm sure that your coaches would even agree . MV is deep and talented all across the board, and no doubt is a notch above Grove in over all talent in most positions. MV scheme of Jet, Power, QB Draw/ISO, mesh well with the quick athletic lineman and the uber athletic Ripko and Pruitt. MV run game drives that offense no doubt. MV has a solid passing game to complement their run game but I cringed Friday night once the OC stopped winging the ball around in the first half and went to a steady diet of wide run plays L/R and a few shovels and QB draws inside. Two of our defensive stops was when MV strangely threw the ball on 4th down and the Pic 6. No doubt MV beat us with their Ripko run game he is special no doubt. I would much prefer MV team this year throwing the ball against our Secondary 90% of the time than a MV team running wide hitting gaps in space and churning 10 yards a pop. The tale of the two half's back up my opinion.... First half MV throws ball more and Grove is leading....Second half OC rarely throws ball and MV dominates the game. We did rush for around 100yds and threw for 230+....so our Air/Ground attack was proficient against MV pass/run defense. Our run game did struggle at times and not to go into to deep of detail some of that was purely MV players whipping some arse and some was poor execution on our part as well leaving gaps open for various reasons, it happens. For Grove to beat MV we will have to figure out a way to stop Ripko running wild on the edge or on Shovel passes, and on Offense we will have to make a few more big plays, reduce our Yellow flags and execute a bit better. We can beat MV we showed that in the first half, but again it's Clear MV is a notch above Grove in several area's so to win focus, grit and mistake free football is necessary to overcome the athletes MV fields. NO doubt if we can face them again we will be the Underkats and MV the favorites. |
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Post by mghs on Oct 3, 2022 23:45:10 GMT -6
No arguments just opinions , we can agree to disagree . I agree with the confusion about the conference it's alot different than alot of people thaught it would be like at this point . Houston has blasted onto the winners circle in a big way very unexpected to most of us and it might come down to the last game of the schedule to see who will be the conference champion except it won't be the two teams that people thaught it would be . The thing is it can all change in the Conference playoffs . It's hard for the ones that thaught their team would be in the top tier and find out that it's not happening like they thaught it would . It's all in fun . Liberty and Grove should beat Houston by 20+. Houston is much improved over typical Houston teams but they haven’t played anyone yet. I will say this Houston versus Grove could be closer than many think. Houston is improved and plays solid ball control football with physicality. Right now we are a bit undermanned. I know Ava has been decimated by injury.....Hunter Adams gone, Tidwell gone now, Dixon C.Protocol, Stout gimpy, Johnson Gimpy etc. key injuries effect teams. Grove has also lost a few key players as well, starting OT/DT hasn't played since Ava, lost our C0- Starting RB and starting OLB versus Cabool as well as our Starting NG. And now we had another Key starting LOS player injured vs MV. So I'm very concerned that upfront Houston could really be a handful for us. This game is my no means a give me win. |
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Post by daddue11 on Oct 3, 2022 23:52:12 GMT -6
Now that was very insightful MGHS and makes perfect sense at least to me . You can never know what is gonna happen on a Friday night . If we meat again in districts you don't know what's gonna happen until the last play . It's just so good to once again witness the epic battles between these two teams where both sides are playing great ball.
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Post by mghs on Oct 4, 2022 1:42:38 GMT -6
Thanks that is just what I saw Friday and again Sunday on film. I was surprised MV LOS players had improved that much from last year they where impressive with their quickness and aggression kudos to them and their improvement. We dominated the LOS last year running the ball with abandon. Not having to play Ripko at QB and having Pruitt as a QB/RB is a lethal combination. Reece is a good QB and WR when he leaks out of the Backfield but he is not the same caliber as Pruett/Ripko as game changers.
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Post by jordanearl on Oct 4, 2022 7:33:35 GMT -6
I wasn’t trying to reignite a MG Vs Liberty argument, I just can’t figure out this conference this year. It just seems from an outside perspective it’s Liberty’s to lose. MG last year and this year (some of last year wasn’t known until they got going I get it) were on the path and track for this year being the year. It doesn’t look like it. And I would’ve predicted 5-6 wins for Liberty before the season WITH the caveat that MORE wins would be possible. Ava was hit by the graduation and injury bug this year. But I had them finishing second because of the program. And now Houston being undefeated congrats to them. It’s just hard to sort out this year. Like I said, Liberty looks like the favorites in my eyes. Could absolutely be wrong. MG needs to prove to me. Last year they got hot, can they do it again? To me that’s what it would take. as a conference MV is clearly the top dog. Until Houston plays MV and Grove its hard to see where they actually are. they barely squeaked past a heavily decimated AVA squad. as stated MG is dealing with some injuries on OUR LOS that could absolutely sink us. Especially against physical teams who can run the ball. |
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