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Post by mghs on Nov 21, 2022 6:48:02 GMT -6
Jobs in SEC Country are plentiful. almost every town has manufacturing positions open. The starting pay has doubled in last decade. Well that is interesting to say the Least.....So what would the starting pay be? Close to what is paid in Places like Springfield,Monett, Joplin area? |
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Post by dew on Nov 21, 2022 8:14:42 GMT -6
Clearly the SCA has to up their game year around if we want to compete with the B8 schools in our Class that is a must.... and the is that is the one factor that can be controlled by SCA schools. We can't really do anything to make or location more attractive to live in. The Joplin Metro area, Branson Lakes and being close to Springfield just is going to draw more people to those area's. So acknowledging that fact is fine but whining and moaning about it is a serious waste of time. We have to just grind it out and think outside the box to compete better. Have you got any outside the box suggestions other than scheduling bigger opponents, should they accept? Not a smart-elikish reply just a curiosity because I don't have any ideas myself |
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Post by luko on Nov 21, 2022 15:47:25 GMT -6
I posted the numbers, Cabools numbers are much lower than the top schools. How many times a year does Salem, Grove or Ava play schools with 800-1000 kids? Thats basically the same size difference. Cabool may have had 30 on thier roster but we all know that maybe 5 of those are football players. And again just look at the last decade of Cabool vs other SCA teams. Even the best teams they had still werent top 3 or 4 in conference. I dont see how its a detriment to any other school. Grove would have to find one more game a cycle, its not that hard. I think some of you are alot more spiteful then admins and coaches. Every coach understands why Cabool wants out and admin like the short travel time. If the other schools hadnt already agreed to keep playing this would have probably never made it to a board meeting. I do agree the schedule helps some when it comes to districts if you can stay healthy and get kids to believe after theyve been turbo clocked 3 or 4 times. I think your better going in with a winning record though, if you never win you dont know how to. As far as Thayer...did they not leave for the same reason Cabool is wanting to? Seems like it worked out for them in the long run. Either way its not gonna happen anytime soon, the board won't even bring it back up anytime soon. I get both sides I just think it would be a lot better for Cabool if they didnt have the toughest class one schedule in the state. Lots of nonsense right here. No teams agreed to continue playing Cabool before this even was taken to the board. Things do not work that way. No one here is spiteful. In fact we all have been very supportive of Cabool. Wanting a team with long time ties in the SCA to stay is in no way spiteful. Toughest class 1 schedule in the state? Stop. Ridiculous. And on top of all this if Cabool wants out of the SCA then why in the world would they want to keep playing the SCA schools? Makes no sense at all. 100% sure they discussed it with other schools, they all understood. Saying no one would play them because they left the conference is spiteful and purely speculation. I don't think you're understanding why they want out. Obviously they still want to pmay smaller schools but not the Groves, Salems and Avas. Name a tougher class 1 schedule... Why would any school want to play schools 2 and 3 times bigger then them? Its like beating your head against a wall, it makes no sense. |
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Post by luko on Nov 21, 2022 15:49:07 GMT -6
As far as the schools having to find one more game per cycle, that part is plenty hard enough already! I also don't think anyone can be spiteful because this was all dropped in our laps at a moment's notice. No time to react. Had the board meeting not been posted on facebook many of us would never have known. Yes Cabool has struggled. But you all have have won a district title more recently than we have, we ain't leaving and neither is anyone else who has struggled. The SCA as a whole needs to get better and we gotta find ways to do it. This conference makes teams better compared to some as evidenced Cabool playing for a d-title, but when it comes to state play we don't get far. So let's all get better together and endure the things we got to endure in the process. If the COC, Big 8, etc etc can be strong from head to toe like we used to be then why can't we again? District title yes but whens the last time they finished top 3 in conference? |
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Post by luko on Nov 21, 2022 15:52:30 GMT -6
As far as the schools having to find one more game per cycle, that part is plenty hard enough already! I also don't think anyone can be spiteful because this was all dropped in our laps at a moment's notice. No time to react. Had the board meeting not been posted on facebook many of us would never have known. Yes Cabool has struggled. But you all have have won a district title more recently than we have, we ain't leaving and neither is anyone else who has struggled. The SCA as a whole needs to get better and we gotta find ways to do it. This conference makes teams better compared to some as evidenced Cabool playing for a d-title, but when it comes to state play we don't get far. So let's all get better together and endure the things we got to endure in the process. If the COC, Big 8, etc etc can be strong from head to toe like we used to be then why can't we again? A huge reason for the SCA drop off is Demographics aka talent pool.. Let's Look at the SCA and Big 8 just pulled these numbers off MSHSAA Salem-439 Mac CO -789 Aurora-407 Ava-343 Marshfield-660 Seneca-355 Grove-333 Nevada-593 MV-350 WS-302 Monett-579 Hollister-340 Houston-275 Lo-Rog-556 EN-295 MVL-256 RS-505 Lamar-287 Thayer-173 CassV-479 Catholic-283 Cabool-154 Now numbers also doesn't tell the whole side of things because while the B8 tends to bigger as a whole Seneca- MtV -Hollister- Don't dwarf the larger SCA schools they compete against in fact it would be close to a statistical push size wise. So when you factor out that those Schools are a push Student Body wise what are you left with.... Clearly Seneca has a Great tradition and History AKA football Culture. Lamar under Coach Bailey and has kept that rolling so their new tradition is on Par with anybody. But I'd say in the Case of Seneca and Lamar clearly being in the Joplin metro area as a decidedly effected their talent pool as much as anywhere. Same can be Said with Hollister and RS being in the Branson Metro area those factors can't be discounted or dismissed. Those Area's have a denser talent rich pool to draw from. I think that MtV. is getting some of that being 30 min away from Springfield but I doubt Aurora as much. EN clearly is in a desert wasteland. Catholic who knows what goes on behind the private School doors. And Cassville of late has sort of leveled off and of course if you look at them they are isolated as much as any school in the B8 not named EN so it makes sense. Of course you can't blame everything on Talent Pool and Location just like you can't discount those factors either it's not just one thing. Clearly the B8 as a whole has a Deeper and Richer Football Culture since the late 60's moving forward to the present. Those communities have bought in at a deeper level and clearly it appears that in the Offseason they get a bit more out of their kids, across the board and then if you have only 2 more difference makers on the Roster that can make for a huge disparity in the final outcome. Clearly the SCA has to up their game year around if we want to compete with the B8 schools in our Class that is a must.... and the is that is the one factor that can be controlled by SCA schools. We can't really do anything to make or location more attractive to live in. The Joplin Metro area, Branson Lakes and being close to Springfield just is going to draw more people to those area's. So acknowledging that fact is fine but whining and moaning about it is a serious waste of time. We have to just grind it out and think outside the box to compete better. I would say that with FG/Strafford being Bedroom communities of Springfield they are also poised to get a influx of talent like Nixa,Republic, Ozark did and Lo-Rog is now. They already have been if you look at some of the Athletes on the Rosters....... those schools will just get more attractive as time goes on. This isn't going to get easier...... I think the money going into Strafford is going to help tremendously. A class 2 school having a multi million dollar indoor football facility is nuts. Kids and coaches will want to go there. |
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Post by bonehead on Nov 21, 2022 22:53:39 GMT -6
Lots of nonsense right here. No teams agreed to continue playing Cabool before this even was taken to the board. Things do not work that way. No one here is spiteful. In fact we all have been very supportive of Cabool. Wanting a team with long time ties in the SCA to stay is in no way spiteful. Toughest class 1 schedule in the state? Stop. Ridiculous. And on top of all this if Cabool wants out of the SCA then why in the world would they want to keep playing the SCA schools? Makes no sense at all. 100% sure they discussed it with other schools, they all understood. Saying no one would play them because they left the conference is spiteful and purely speculation. I don't think you're understanding why they want out. Obviously they still want to pmay smaller schools but not the Groves, Salems and Avas. Name a tougher class 1 schedule... Why would any school want to play schools 2 and 3 times bigger then them? Its like beating your head against a wall, it makes no sense. It may have been discussed with schools, but there is no way it was all agreed upon that they were continuing to play each other. Things just do not work that way. Schools can say a lot of things. They may say they understand. But history shows that they are not going to keep playing a team that does not want to be in the conference. Again, no one here is spiteful. You are creating that yourself. There maybe years where Cabool has the toughest class 1 schedule, but this year is not it. Ava- down. Thayer - down. Salem - way down. Willow - way down. Houston - overrated. They played 2 solid teams in Liberty and Grove. Several other schools around class 1 play schedules that are tough. Monroe City. East Buch. Mid Buch. Just a few examples. Cabool may have banged their head against the wall some, but it got them a district plaque this year. |
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Post by mghs on Nov 22, 2022 2:11:57 GMT -6
I 100% agree ...I'm sure Cabool's people contacted the AD's etc. from other schools and I have no doubt that some of those Administrations gave forth Platitudes about wanting to or trying to play Cabool.
Cabool people need to Ask WS how hard it is to schedule games and find Open Dates and work things out. Or ask any AD about that....very stressful.
I think a lot of assumptions was happening on Cabool's part. They clearly figured Cabool would play their 6 conference games and Houston/Thayer/WS would just slide in the first 3 games of the season. But that is not how that might work out. If Grove/Ava/Salem/MV are all now looking for a extra Non-Conference games a reshuffle might happen and Some SCA conference games might be played in the first 3 weeks of the season..... teams would have to be accommodating to other non-conference teams fill out a full 9 game schedule, So Houston/WS/Thayer might not be available to play the first 3 weeks. Nobody is saying that all teams would shun them but with the hectic way that scheduling is done I can Promise you that the 4 shunned teams are not going to put a burden upon their Fans/Players and Programs to do Cabool any favors. Meaning if they can find non-conference games in later Weeks to fill out the 9 games schedule wise games will be reshuffled to earlier weeks irregardless if that was a supposed date promised by the favored 3 to play Cabool. You seem to forget that the teams that Cabool wants to cherry pick to play will have to fulfill their obligations first to the remaining SCA schools.
And as I stated the remaining SCA teams may well inquire(if they have not already which would be the smart thing to do) about adding teams to the SCA. IMO Strafford,Fair Grove and Forsythe might be nice additions if they had the desire to join. Taking 2 of that 3 would leave only 1 non-conference game for everyone to schedule.
And the spiteful stuff is just not True..... pointing out the possible ramifications and consequences that hadn't been thought through on Cabool's part is not being Spiteful. I find it strange that you think that to be the case.
I do get that Cabool is only in a realistic manner going to compete for the conference a couple of times a Decade... but with that said they do harden up against better competition come the playoffs and that has paid off for Cabool and Thayer. Cabool is very centralized in the conference and travel time is Wonderful for the players and fan. And traditional rivals and all that entails remain active. Now the rivalry is year around People live close to each other they Shop together, Work together, Eat out Together and are often even related so the Banter and Conference traditions thrive. Once you join the Southwest Cabool people are not going to have daily or weekly interactions with Ash Grove, Marionville, Pierce City etc. They will get on Buses and Get in Cars come to Cabool Play and leave, and Cabool will do the Same and that will be the end of it. The luster and Drive will diminish and Fade to a huge degree.
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Post by jordanearl on Nov 22, 2022 6:50:50 GMT -6
Jobs in SEC Country are plentiful. almost every town has manufacturing positions open. The starting pay has doubled in last decade. Well that is interesting to say the Least.....So what would the starting pay be? Close to what is paid in Places like Springfield,Monett, Joplin area? Correct. When they do salary analysis, they base it off Springfield wages. We are starting new employees at 17 and after they have been here a year most are up over 22 now. And that’s for basic employees. |
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Post by mosooner on Nov 22, 2022 8:37:21 GMT -6
Might be the first time I have ever heard the term BRANSON METRO. I am trying to remember the last time RS had a player move in because parents got a job in Branson. The last one that I remember was about 8 or 10 years ago.
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Post by mghs on Nov 22, 2022 23:29:51 GMT -6
www.bestplaces.net/metro/missouri/bransonI know a lot of people like to move to the lake area....not just retirement folks either. I don't know how much movement there is between those schools but People do move in to that area at a pretty decent rate. Branson/Hollister and RS have all gotten bigger over the last couple of decades while all of the SCA has gotten smaller student population wise. RS has grown about 70 students in 4 years. Strangely though Hollister hit their peak about 4 years ago and has shrunk a bit about 25 students since then.
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Post by mosooner on Nov 29, 2022 14:12:38 GMT -6
Reeds was shrinking until about 3 years ago and our current number with MSHSAA is wrong.
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Post by mghs on Nov 29, 2022 19:06:30 GMT -6
Bigger or smaller and you do know that they only count 3 grades not 4 now
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Post by mosooner on Nov 30, 2022 9:51:34 GMT -6
thought it was closer to 465
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Post by mosooner on Nov 30, 2022 10:01:52 GMT -6
Hearing more and more about schools looking into or actually trying to plan indoor facilities. For many of us it would be a real $$$$$ problem
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Post by luko on Nov 30, 2022 14:05:52 GMT -6
100% sure they discussed it with other schools, they all understood. Saying no one would play them because they left the conference is spiteful and purely speculation. I don't think you're understanding why they want out. Obviously they still want to pmay smaller schools but not the Groves, Salems and Avas. Name a tougher class 1 schedule... Why would any school want to play schools 2 and 3 times bigger then them? Its like beating your head against a wall, it makes no sense. It may have been discussed with schools, but there is no way it was all agreed upon that they were continuing to play each other. Things just do not work that way. Schools can say a lot of things. They may say they understand. But history shows that they are not going to keep playing a team that does not want to be in the conference. Again, no one here is spiteful. You are creating that yourself. There maybe years where Cabool has the toughest class 1 schedule, but this year is not it. Ava- down. Thayer - down. Salem - way down. Willow - way down. Houston - overrated. They played 2 solid teams in Liberty and Grove. Several other schools around class 1 play schedules that are tough. Monroe City. East Buch. Mid Buch. Just a few examples. Cabool may have banged their head against the wall some, but it got them a district plaque this year. Why would any of those schools take Cabool off the schedule? Not many wins that close to home for the other teams. When Thayer left the conference in football they still played everyone else in the conference in every other sport. What other class one school only plays one game against a school their size? None of those schedules you listed are tougher than Cabools, even this year. Just look at the SOS on the district scoring. |
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