luko
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Post by luko on Nov 30, 2022 14:19:15 GMT -6
I 100% agree ...I'm sure Cabool's people contacted the AD's etc. from other schools and I have no doubt that some of those Administrations gave forth Platitudes about wanting to or trying to play Cabool. Cabool people need to Ask WS how hard it is to schedule games and find Open Dates and work things out. Or ask any AD about that....very stressful. I think a lot of assumptions was happening on Cabool's part. They clearly figured Cabool would play their 6 conference games and Houston/Thayer/WS would just slide in the first 3 games of the season. But that is not how that might work out. If Grove/Ava/Salem/MV are all now looking for a extra Non-Conference games a reshuffle might happen and Some SCA conference games might be played in the first 3 weeks of the season..... teams would have to be accommodating to other non-conference teams fill out a full 9 game schedule, So Houston/WS/Thayer might not be available to play the first 3 weeks. Nobody is saying that all teams would shun them but with the hectic way that scheduling is done I can Promise you that the 4 shunned teams are not going to put a burden upon their Fans/Players and Programs to do Cabool any favors. Meaning if they can find non-conference games in later Weeks to fill out the 9 games schedule wise games will be reshuffled to earlier weeks irregardless if that was a supposed date promised by the favored 3 to play Cabool. You seem to forget that the teams that Cabool wants to cherry pick to play will have to fulfill their obligations first to the remaining SCA schools. And as I stated the remaining SCA teams may well inquire(if they have not already which would be the smart thing to do) about adding teams to the SCA. IMO Strafford,Fair Grove and Forsythe might be nice additions if they had the desire to join. Taking 2 of that 3 would leave only 1 non-conference game for everyone to schedule. And the spiteful stuff is just not True..... pointing out the possible ramifications and consequences that hadn't been thought through on Cabool's part is not being Spiteful. I find it strange that you think that to be the case. I do get that Cabool is only in a realistic manner going to compete for the conference a couple of times a Decade... but with that said they do harden up against better competition come the playoffs and that has paid off for Cabool and Thayer. Cabool is very centralized in the conference and travel time is Wonderful for the players and fan. And traditional rivals and all that entails remain active. Now the rivalry is year around People live close to each other they Shop together, Work together, Eat out Together and are often even related so the Banter and Conference traditions thrive. Once you join the Southwest Cabool people are not going to have daily or weekly interactions with Ash Grove, Marionville, Pierce City etc. They will get on Buses and Get in Cars come to Cabool Play and leave, and Cabool will do the Same and that will be the end of it. The luster and Drive will diminish and Fade to a huge degree. Why would they change the schedule from the way it is now? People that dont play Cabool would just have an open week the week they were to play Cabool. All of these issues were discussed at the SCA meeting, I suggest if you know anyone that attends them that you discuss it with them. You are correct it is a challenge for some teams to schedule games, another reason the teams that could would still play Cabool. It may be hard for Liberty and Grove to get games but I know Cabool had openings week one and two and had numerous teams wanting to play. Cabool is never in contention for the SCA, when's the last time they won or finished 2nd?? Strafford and Fair Grove have been asked at least twice that I know of and will not leave the Mid-Lakes for the SCA, there's not a team within 100 miles that joins the SCA. What rivalry does Cabool have where they consistently compete? Maybe Willow and Houston, so stay for the two rivalries? Everything you listed for reasons to stay in the SCA are parent/community centered, none are student centered. Very few admins or coaches put those people first and they shouldn't. Joining the SW was never an answer, playing a few of their teams each year was a probable solution for Cabools schedule. Regardless it doesnt matter now that the board shut it down. I really get where everyone is coming from, you dont want to take a close, easily won game off your schedule. |
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Post by oldhead on Nov 30, 2022 16:34:39 GMT -6
I thought if Cabool left SCA might consider Doniphan as a replacement option.
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Post by bonehead on Nov 30, 2022 16:43:40 GMT -6
Other sports would probably not be as impacted, and Cabool would be ok schedule wise. However, football is a different animal. There would be very little upside to schools like Grove, Willow, Houston and Liberty to keep Cabool on the schedule. And if the conference added another team(s) in their place then you could almost completely rule out the SCA schools keeping Cabool on their schedule. I don't think you realize how hard it would be to create a schedule in football as an independent.
There are years where Cabool probably had the toughest schedule in class 1. But again, that was not this year. And if anything your schedule prepared you for a district championship appearance. If you are an independant or in another weak conference this year you are not playing in the championship. just because you play schools in different classes does not really mean anything in terms of strength of schedule. Cabool is not that much different from Willow, Houston, and Salem. So that is all a wash.
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Post by bonehead on Nov 30, 2022 16:46:19 GMT -6
I really get where everyone is coming from, you dont want to take a close, easily won game off your schedule. If that is your take away from this, then you are not getting anything that has been said. |
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Post by mghs on Dec 1, 2022 0:20:50 GMT -6
I 100% agree ...I'm sure Cabool's people contacted the AD's etc. from other schools and I have no doubt that some of those Administrations gave forth Platitudes about wanting to or trying to play Cabool. Cabool people need to Ask WS how hard it is to schedule games and find Open Dates and work things out. Or ask any AD about that....very stressful. I think a lot of assumptions was happening on Cabool's part. They clearly figured Cabool would play their 6 conference games and Houston/Thayer/WS would just slide in the first 3 games of the season. But that is not how that might work out. If Grove/Ava/Salem/MV are all now looking for a extra Non-Conference games a reshuffle might happen and Some SCA conference games might be played in the first 3 weeks of the season..... teams would have to be accommodating to other non-conference teams fill out a full 9 game schedule, So Houston/WS/Thayer might not be available to play the first 3 weeks. Nobody is saying that all teams would shun them but with the hectic way that scheduling is done I can Promise you that the 4 shunned teams are not going to put a burden upon their Fans/Players and Programs to do Cabool any favors. Meaning if they can find non-conference games in later Weeks to fill out the 9 games schedule wise games will be reshuffled to earlier weeks irregardless if that was a supposed date promised by the favored 3 to play Cabool. You seem to forget that the teams that Cabool wants to cherry pick to play will have to fulfill their obligations first to the remaining SCA schools. And as I stated the remaining SCA teams may well inquire(if they have not already which would be the smart thing to do) about adding teams to the SCA. IMO Strafford,Fair Grove and Forsythe might be nice additions if they had the desire to join. Taking 2 of that 3 would leave only 1 non-conference game for everyone to schedule. And the spiteful stuff is just not True..... pointing out the possible ramifications and consequences that hadn't been thought through on Cabool's part is not being Spiteful. I find it strange that you think that to be the case. I do get that Cabool is only in a realistic manner going to compete for the conference a couple of times a Decade... but with that said they do harden up against better competition come the playoffs and that has paid off for Cabool and Thayer. Cabool is very centralized in the conference and travel time is Wonderful for the players and fan. And traditional rivals and all that entails remain active. Now the rivalry is year around People live close to each other they Shop together, Work together, Eat out Together and are often even related so the Banter and Conference traditions thrive. Once you join the Southwest Cabool people are not going to have daily or weekly interactions with Ash Grove, Marionville, Pierce City etc. They will get on Buses and Get in Cars come to Cabool Play and leave, and Cabool will do the Same and that will be the end of it. The luster and Drive will diminish and Fade to a huge degree. Why would they change the schedule from the way it is now? People that dont play Cabool would just have an open week the week they were to play Cabool. All of these issues were discussed at the SCA meeting, I suggest if you know anyone that attends them that you discuss it with them. You are correct it is a challenge for some teams to schedule games, another reason the teams that could would still play Cabool. It may be hard for Liberty and Grove to get games but I know Cabool had openings week one and two and had numerous teams wanting to play. Cabool is never in contention for the SCA, when's the last time they won or finished 2nd?? Strafford and Fair Grove have been asked at least twice that I know of and will not leave the Mid-Lakes for the SCA, there's not a team within 100 miles that joins the SCA. What rivalry does Cabool have where they consistently compete? Maybe Willow and Houston, so stay for the two rivalries? Everything you listed for reasons to stay in the SCA are parent/community centered, none are student centered. Very few admins or coaches put those people first and they shouldn't. Joining the SW was never an answer, playing a few of their teams each year was a probable solution for Cabools schedule. Regardless it doesnt matter now that the board shut it down. I really get where everyone is coming from, you dont want to take a close, easily won game off your schedule. ..... Example: Grove plays Cabool week 5.... we can't find a Non-Conference game that week so we then move a Conference game to WK5 let's say like WS.... Removing the 3rd week game vs Cabool. That creates a Domino effect of shuffling of Games across the board for all teams in the SCA. And guess what as I said the 5 Teams left out in the Cold will dang well schedule games vs SCA teams when it is convenient to them as opposed to Cabool. Grove/AVA/MV/SALEM/ isn't going to Just say hey we can't find a WK5/WK6/WK8/WK9 game and suck it up.... you will have a complete rearrangement across the board of conference games and the schedule will be effected because Now 5 teams will be scrambling for a extra 3rd non-conference game. I guess I should of known you didn't know how this works when you made the Statement "Why would the schedule change from the way it is now?" Do you really think that Salem and AVA can have open week's in the eight or ninth weeks of the Season and FIND GAMES that are non-conference!!!!! Have you ever even talked to a AD about scheduling? This is your use of logic? " People that Don't Play Cabool would just have a open week the week they were to play Cabool" that is such a hooot of nonsense I'm not sure how to interpret the statement. And I don't doubt that Cabool finds it easier to get games. Than MV/AVA/Grove/Salem.... Again that is why the Conference Schedule would be reworked to fit the Needs of those teams and that might well make it difficult for WS/Houston/Thayer to line up games with Cabool in the first couple of weeks of the season, it's easier to move a conference game to fit non-conference games. On going talks with Strafford and FG over the years a formal invite has never been brought forth by all the SCA schools just feelers..... they stipulate that they are tied together both come or none. As I said Coaches and Administrators are going to put their Students First not the Students from Cabool and vice a versa. Although I disagree that playing a full schedule of games that require a lot of travel is Student beneficial educational wise. Seems like the move was more Sports based and Winning than hey Kids are getting home really late.... So now the SW conference wasn't viable just playing a Few teams from there and a few SCA teams as a Independent..... I'd of put a wager that long term that would not of been a good thing for Cabool. Maybe you should look way Deeper into why the School Board Shut down the Process! And truthfully I think you sale Cabool short.... Cabool always brings a nice effort and is a thorn on the side of a lot of teams year in and year out. Nobody looks at them as a easy win. And you just assume that teams would be replacing Cabool with a harder opponent.... I would say with the way scheduling is that Agape might become a Honorary member of the SCA if Cabool leaves. |
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Post by mghs on Dec 1, 2022 0:24:14 GMT -6
I thought if Cabool left SCA might consider Doniphan as a replacement option. That was talked about... do able for football but for other sports that is a long haul for a Weekday trip. Ava would have a 2 and half hour bus ride there and back all the rest of the teams 2hrs. 4 hrs of Road time for Volleyball games, Basketball games, Track, and Baseball mid-week is not ideal. |
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Post by BearUp on Dec 1, 2022 14:45:13 GMT -6
On going talks with Strafford and FG over the years a formal invite has never been brought forth by all the SCA schools just feelers..... they stipulate that they are tied together both come or none. I would take Strafford and Fair Grove in a heartbeat! That would increase the strength of schedule for all sports in the SCA! |
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Post by mghs on Dec 2, 2022 0:06:51 GMT -6
It would be great for the short term.... but long term it's Pretty evident that Strafford and FG are going to Boom to the Size of Nixa and Ozark. It's beginning to happen.
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Post by dew on Dec 2, 2022 7:51:43 GMT -6
While not an AD, admin or anything besides a bleacher coach at Willow - Another thing to look at from the football end of things is we already play THREE C1 schools along with that game we barely got against a mid-Kansas school. Let's say we did have a winning record, what the crap is that going to do for our district points? The times we have beat Marionville and Cabool our points didnt hardly move at all, but we sure get punished for losing to them. It wouldn't be feasible to keep scheduling Cabool every single year should we actually get the oppurtunity to host a district game. We'd have to go 9-0 or 8-1 just to get a 4 seed in our district. Marionville is constantly good so it's good for us to play them and get better, but if we want district points there's 2 opponents we could move on from should we find a game leaving only SCA Thayer.
What would actually HELP, just so I'm not Mr. Negativity here - is if there were more C1 available schools for Cabool to join with locally. But I'm not sure Seymour, Licking, Fordland, Gainesville, maybe Bakersfield and others that don't have football would even be C1 they could still hit C2 (if someone has those numbers...) . We've all had that idea and discussed in years past but it just isn't there to have. Then those schools would have to be competitive in football or they're just another SWC and you gained nothing ....
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Post by mosooner on Dec 13, 2022 12:28:13 GMT -6
thought it was closer to 465 That is weird... It has been corrected to that exact number on the MSHSAA site... at least it is correct now |
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Post by mghs on Dec 13, 2022 22:54:57 GMT -6
SO 505 is correct? I bet it was just a oversite in the RS administration nobody had updated it.
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