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Post by dew on Jan 17, 2024 11:33:06 GMT -6
Steven Mallow and his bunch. Colley's last year as well. They played for district titles and Colley's last year was the last time at state when we got hosed in Rolla. With Cabool being open and with open enrollment coming, along with a lot of our former teachers already there, wouldn't it be funny if........ not following you , would be funny if what? Cabool is not the answer to anything No Cabool isn't but was saying it would be funny (to me) if Cabool hired Payne and some kids hit the transfer portal, oops excuse me open enrollment, and followed him over there. I've heard yes and no on whether they'd have to wait a year on eligiblity but knowing how folks can get I wouldn't be surprised if this happened either. Not saying it's smart either ....
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Post by bonehead on Jan 17, 2024 11:40:32 GMT -6
Be careful with that way of looking at it. Grove is a football school, yet when was last time you guys won at district title? You haven't won many in the last 10 years one could easily argue we have shifted to a BBall School. or even Baseball, as we won multiple Districts and a State Championship. My point is everytime willow gets questioned for how poor of a football team since Ary left, the rebuttal is they are a bball school. I'm simply saying that excuse don't hold water, cuz last I checked that's a pretty big stretch. Yeah I get what you are saying. I would agree to an extent but i also think a school is marked but what they focus on more than just overall success. Willow focuses on basketball. Grove focuses on football. Now with that said I will allow some basketball talk on here because it is at least partially a sport. But take that weak baseball crap outta here! No one wants that mess here. Next we will be calling schools soccer or volleyball schools 😉
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Post by bonehead on Jan 17, 2024 11:41:25 GMT -6
not following you , would be funny if what? Cabool is not the answer to anything No Cabool isn't but was saying it would be funny (to me) if Cabool hired Payne and some kids hit the transfer portal, oops excuse me open enrollment, and followed him over there. I've heard yes and no on whether they'd have to wait a year on eligiblity but knowing how folks can get I wouldn't be surprised if this happened either. Not saying it's smart either .... Ahhh I got what you are saying now. That would be pretty funny
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Post by mghs on Jan 17, 2024 18:45:25 GMT -6
not following you , would be funny if what? Cabool is not the answer to anything No Cabool isn't but was saying it would be funny (to me) if Cabool hired Payne and some kids hit the transfer portal, oops excuse me open enrollment, and followed him over there. I've heard yes and no on whether they'd have to wait a year on eligiblity but knowing how folks can get I wouldn't be surprised if this happened either. Not saying it's smart either .... I’d say open enrollment isn’t happening in the Next 3 years so that might be a bit of a premature wish
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Post by sca4life on Jan 17, 2024 19:42:29 GMT -6
Making a decision like this with millions of dollar of taxpayer budget and one person/administration making this decision leaves too much power. Why have a board? "Can't wait to see what this "best applicant pool" looks like for them." - As stated before we called Newsmax and the Comedy Channel. The latter one may want to be here...... I think the article was a little misleading trying to keep the boards nose clean. I know for a fact that the board and admin. have been discussing the football program in closed session the last few months. The Board doesn’t have to go along with admin. decisions if the majority disagrees.
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Post by mghs on Jan 17, 2024 19:46:39 GMT -6
Yes clearly the board was in agreement or they just rubber stamped the choice without much thought. Either way not a great Look!
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Post by dew on Jan 18, 2024 8:14:39 GMT -6
Making a decision like this with millions of dollar of taxpayer budget and one person/administration making this decision leaves too much power. Why have a board? "Can't wait to see what this "best applicant pool" looks like for them." - As stated before we called Newsmax and the Comedy Channel. The latter one may want to be here...... I think the article was a little misleading trying to keep the boards nose clean. I know for a fact that the board and admin. have been discussing the football program in closed session the last few months. The Board doesn’t have to go along with admin. decisions if the majority disagrees. Rant # (pick a number) .... I don't know why they have to do every dang thing in closed session. Unless they just don't like facing the public. You know, the public they were elected to communicate with ..... If they have been discussing football for a few months then there was no clear decision made and the board is half n half on what's to happen. I sure would like to have the minutes to those meetings and see who voted how. I'm also curious now to see how many people file in December for the April 2025 school board election. I don't know whose terms are up and right now I don't care. Yes a super is supposed to represent the board and to a point protect their decisions. But admins also need to remember board members do change and that could also start a search for a new admin. That admin needs to speak for his/herself and the board needs to speak publicly, not privately, for themselves. No I'm not threatening jobs but if enough people get p.o'd that could easily happen in small town America.
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Post by mosooner on Jan 18, 2024 12:12:04 GMT -6
You have to wonder if the AD/Principal doesnt have someone in mind if they recommended not to rehire. Knowing how little he had to work with, something is strange about this..
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Post by bonehead on Jan 18, 2024 14:25:09 GMT -6
You have to wonder if the AD/Principal doesnt have someone in mind if they recommended not to rehire. Knowing how little he had to work with, something is strange about this.. It is definitely strange. And as far as I been told the job has not been posted yet.
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Post by amacomo on Jan 18, 2024 15:20:25 GMT -6
One of the most chicken&*(^ quotes I've ever seen regarding Payne's termination. If you're going to fire him, fire him. Don't try and make it seem like you gave him the option to stay. Spence should be ashamed of himself.
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Post by mghs on Jan 18, 2024 23:48:43 GMT -6
You are right not a great look... I mean they hired him to suffer through two years that everyone in the SCA including Wyatt knew was going to be baaaaadddddddd & 0 to 1 win was very possible the only outcome. And now they for some odd reason think they can do better coaching wise but still want the Guy to hang around and be the Weight Coach and teach!
Let me Put on my Sherlock Holmes deerstalker hat and Try and Figure out the Minds of THE Spence and the WS SB.. So Clearly Payne is good with the Student Athletes and has kept them engaged and excited about the Football program because of the Numbers that have stayed out and competed. Clearly Payne is getting a lot of Hard Work and effort from those Athletes in the Weight room or you don't ask Him to continue running that program moving forward for the New coach. The Norm is that HC are either the weight room guy or the bring along a weight room guy because of it's importance. So in that aspect of the Program parameter it's pretty obvious that Payne was meeting expectations or excelling even.
So why was Payne let go if the Players liked him and his Weight room work ethic was fine? Well in the Article I did notice there was a focus on the Lack of Offense in multiple games and WS being held scoreless and that 20 points was his high mark in that Area, obviously not meeting the expectations of the Powers in charge it appears. And if I'm not mistaken Payne is the OC. So of course he has to take Some of the blame for that! As the HC and OC he is responsible for the offensive production.
But with that Said back in the World of Reality I don't Care what Offensive Guru Genius was on that Staff... Bill Walsh, Vince Lombardi, Mike Leach, Tony Franklin, JT Curtis etc. the outcome was going to be the same because of the Personal trying to execute the scheme. And Scheme wise the Offense was fine. Very Similar to most of the offenses ran in and around the SCA.
It does appear and my hypothesis is that for some odd reason the Bleacher Coaches believe Payne should of done a Better Job as a Offensive coach. Either in Teaching his scheme and executing it or finding another Scheme to run and execute that was better suited to the Players.
I will point out some of that could be valid but how can anyone in their right mind make that determination when the Talent Level was lacking and it was basically a JV squad to boot. If Payne had obvious Talent and a Nice Mix of Seniors and Juniors well then this move might of made more sense. But that was not the case.
Now back to the situation at hand and how WS can move forward....
A homerun Higher is a Must IMO to restore some credibility. A Journeyman Coach who has had success and is willing to grind it out for a Few years to achieve success would be the best scenario. Or a UP and coming Assistant willing to Take a Massive Risk to his Resume and start in a W/L black hole that will take years to get out of and get back to .500!! 4-5 years is a Must for the Next coach because That is a huge risk and could be a Career killer..... take the WS Job go 0-20 or 3-17 get fired like Payne and then try to get another HC job and Most AD/SUP/SB are gonna be very very Leery of hiring them as they should be.
You don't always get better when you replace a Coach....
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Post by jordanearl on Jan 19, 2024 8:18:12 GMT -6
its also possible they knew Payne wouldn't stick around if he was stripped of his coaching job(per his quote in article) so the admin and SB can sleep better knowing they didn't fire him, that he resigned.
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Post by dew on Jan 19, 2024 8:18:56 GMT -6
It does appear and my hypothesis is that for some odd reason the Bleacher Coaches believe Payne should of done a Better Job as a Offensive coach. Either in Teaching his scheme and executing it or finding another Scheme to run and execute that was better suited to the Players.
That's just it - NOBODY (at least nobody came to me and I didn't hear murmurs in the bleachers) questioned what he was doing. ALL the frustration was at the 2 upper classes of kids who felt entitled enough to not participate in anything. Yet some of those kids had the time to come to the games and leave early.
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Post by bonehead on Feb 6, 2024 14:52:07 GMT -6
Front page of the Howell County News this week is a petition going around Willow to keep Coach Payne.
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Post by dew on Feb 6, 2024 18:18:56 GMT -6
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