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Post by oldhead on Nov 24, 2023 9:05:08 GMT -6
Arkansas will be without Dubinion and Rocket Sanders tomorrow. Should see a heavy dose of the freshman RB Augustave. Mizzou is the better team but the best team hasn’t always won this game in the past. Rocket has been out since early in the Season and it derailed them to a degree. Yep Ark. has beat Mizzou a couple of times and they've never been the better team Rocket played last week against FIU but you are correct he hasn’t played much this season. Dealing with a knee issue and gained 25 lbs in off-season slowed him down. I can’t really say much about Mizzou, they have dominated Arkansas in football since joining SEC. Impressed they stuck with Drink, it’s paying off for them now. Decent in game Coach but excellent in recruiting and generating money for NIL.
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Post by oldhead on Nov 24, 2023 9:23:17 GMT -6
Rocket has been out since early in the Season and it derailed them to a degree. Yep Ark. has beat Mizzou a couple of times and they've never been the better team Big Mizzou Fan and have put a lot of thought into this season, because it's been a long while since 2013 and 2014 when we had a competitive squad. Odom was a huge let down, after mentoring under GP, Larry Smith, Fuente, and holding almost every spot on a College Staff.. recruiting cord., LB coach, Safety coach, DC etc. I thought he would be a perfect fit for his alma mater. But he failed in recruiting, Failed in game management, and failed in fitting his scheme to his talent. Why the heck did he change his Defensive scheme the first season as a HC with 9 returning starters from the top Defensive Squad in the SEC the year before, that he was the DC of? Oh probably Hubris or pure stupidity. Of course Mid-season he had to change back to salvage something of a season. Drink has been much better in Recruiting and now finally has found a competent DC, OC and OL coach to round out his staff so I look for good things moving forward. Don't get me wrong next year 7-8 wins is probably the Ceiling for the program. Unlike Ark. fans I realize Mizzou isn't Texas or Bama. Jeez troll Hogville and 90% of them believe Mizzou should be a automatic WIN. Mizzou is going to cycle up and down because we Can't Select talent from a Pool of 4/5 stars begging to be on the Roster. I will say this if people from Mizzou land want to compete with the Blue Bloods we need to stop being tight and cheap. The game has always been about $$$$$$$$$ and before it was under the table and the NCAA only policed the Programs like Mizzou, Arizona St, Ole Miss, Oregon st. etc. as the ND,Bama, OU, Texas, Tenn, UGA, UF, FSU,USC,UCLA, Miami etc. ran amok. Now with the NIL every team is free to pay players. On principle I dislike it as it's turned the Student Athlete into a Pro athlete. But the one benefit is that now the corruption is legal and out in the open. So teams like Mizzou can pony up $$$$ and try to compete without fear of a NCAA AX chopping the program up. everytruetiger.org/If your a Tiger fan you can Donate a lump sum to the NIL collective above or pay monthly. You can specify the sport(FOOTBALL should be the focus IMO) or into the general fund. I mean 5$/20$ a month from thousand of Mizzou fans can add up to a lot!! I really hope that Missouri as a whole finally wakes up to the SEC culture and Football becomes a way of life. It's gonna be a process that is for sure as lame Basketball is so huge. Why rural Caucasian kids are so smitten by a Sport they look laughable playing is beyond me!! But it's a free country so if that is what turns their crank go for it. I’m a football guy first but those rural kids have a better shot at getting a scholarship in basketball than they do for football. Bigger colleges aren’t coming to watch a class 1 football game. If they are good at basketball they can play on travel teams in the summer that college coaches attend. Football doesn’t have that luxury. Thayer played a team yesterday in a tournament that had a 6’10 sophomore that already had offers from Florida, Florida State, Illinois and Iowa to name a few. Thayer played with them the whole game and only lost by 6. No way does that happen in football. And personally I would much rather them be dominant in football but if they want school paid for at the next level in rural America than basketball provides the best opportunity.
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Post by slomo on Nov 24, 2023 11:04:19 GMT -6
Today's game with Arkansas worries me as well. Losing games like today are what originally soured me on the program for a while. Really need to come out and just do what's expected. If things fall right we're potentially in a New Year's bowl.
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Post by eagletimer on Nov 24, 2023 20:28:55 GMT -6
Today's game with Arkansas worries me as well. Losing games like today are what originally soured me on the program for a while. Really need to come out and just do what's expected. If things fall right we're potentially in a New Year's bowl. 48-14 Dominate performance by the Tigers!!
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Post by mghs on Nov 25, 2023 17:57:12 GMT -6
Big Mizzou Fan and have put a lot of thought into this season, because it's been a long while since 2013 and 2014 when we had a competitive squad. Odom was a huge let down, after mentoring under GP, Larry Smith, Fuente, and holding almost every spot on a College Staff.. recruiting cord., LB coach, Safety coach, DC etc. I thought he would be a perfect fit for his alma mater. But he failed in recruiting, Failed in game management, and failed in fitting his scheme to his talent. Why the heck did he change his Defensive scheme the first season as a HC with 9 returning starters from the top Defensive Squad in the SEC the year before, that he was the DC of? Oh probably Hubris or pure stupidity. Of course Mid-season he had to change back to salvage something of a season. Drink has been much better in Recruiting and now finally has found a competent DC, OC and OL coach to round out his staff so I look for good things moving forward. Don't get me wrong next year 7-8 wins is probably the Ceiling for the program. Unlike Ark. fans I realize Mizzou isn't Texas or Bama. Jeez troll Hogville and 90% of them believe Mizzou should be a automatic WIN. Mizzou is going to cycle up and down because we Can't Select talent from a Pool of 4/5 stars begging to be on the Roster. I will say this if people from Mizzou land want to compete with the Blue Bloods we need to stop being tight and cheap. The game has always been about $$$$$$$$$ and before it was under the table and the NCAA only policed the Programs like Mizzou, Arizona St, Ole Miss, Oregon st. etc. as the ND,Bama, OU, Texas, Tenn, UGA, UF, FSU,USC,UCLA, Miami etc. ran amok. Now with the NIL every team is free to pay players. On principle I dislike it as it's turned the Student Athlete into a Pro athlete. But the one benefit is that now the corruption is legal and out in the open. So teams like Mizzou can pony up $$$$ and try to compete without fear of a NCAA AX chopping the program up. everytruetiger.org/If your a Tiger fan you can Donate a lump sum to the NIL collective above or pay monthly. You can specify the sport(FOOTBALL should be the focus IMO) or into the general fund. I mean 5$/20$ a month from thousand of Mizzou fans can add up to a lot!! I really hope that Missouri as a whole finally wakes up to the SEC culture and Football becomes a way of life. It's gonna be a process that is for sure as lame Basketball is so huge. Why rural Caucasian kids are so smitten by a Sport they look laughable playing is beyond me!! But it's a free country so if that is what turns their crank go for it. I’m a football guy first but those rural kids have a better shot at getting a scholarship in basketball than they do for football. Bigger colleges aren’t coming to watch a class 1 football game. If they are good at basketball they can play on travel teams in the summer that college coaches attend. Football doesn’t have that luxury. Thayer played a team yesterday in a tournament that had a 6’10 sophomore that already had offers from Florida, Florida State, Illinois and Iowa to name a few. Thayer played with them the whole game and only lost by 6. No way does that happen in football. And personally I would much rather them be dominant in football but if they want school paid for at the next level in rural America than basketball provides the best opportunity. If you go to big time college camps and 7-7 rural kids can get noticed, coaches from all Divisions attend those looking for talent: Rural kids disadvantaged is that they play against weak competition so big time college coaches don’t want to offer a schollie on players who easily Dominate weaker talent. So you have to show up at these camps and show case your talent.A football squad has way more players and way more schollies to offer. So by a sheer numbers aspect football is the better option. And let’s be honest 14% of the urban demographic makes up near 85% of basketball.
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Post by mosooner on Nov 28, 2023 9:38:00 GMT -6
Big Mizzou Fan and have put a lot of thought into this season, because it's been a long while since 2013 and 2014 when we had a competitive squad. Odom was a huge let down, after mentoring under GP, Larry Smith, Fuente, and holding almost every spot on a College Staff.. recruiting cord., LB coach, Safety coach, DC etc. I thought he would be a perfect fit for his alma mater. But he failed in recruiting, Failed in game management, and failed in fitting his scheme to his talent. Why the heck did he change his Defensive scheme the first season as a HC with 9 returning starters from the top Defensive Squad in the SEC the year before, that he was the DC of? Oh probably Hubris or pure stupidity. Of course Mid-season he had to change back to salvage something of a season. Drink has been much better in Recruiting and now finally has found a competent DC, OC and OL coach to round out his staff so I look for good things moving forward. Don't get me wrong next year 7-8 wins is probably the Ceiling for the program. Unlike Ark. fans I realize Mizzou isn't Texas or Bama. Jeez troll Hogville and 90% of them believe Mizzou should be a automatic WIN. Mizzou is going to cycle up and down because we Can't Select talent from a Pool of 4/5 stars begging to be on the Roster. I will say this if people from Mizzou land want to compete with the Blue Bloods we need to stop being tight and cheap. The game has always been about $$$$$$$$$ and before it was under the table and the NCAA only policed the Programs like Mizzou, Arizona St, Ole Miss, Oregon st. etc. as the ND,Bama, OU, Texas, Tenn, UGA, UF, FSU,USC,UCLA, Miami etc. ran amok. Now with the NIL every team is free to pay players. On principle I dislike it as it's turned the Student Athlete into a Pro athlete. But the one benefit is that now the corruption is legal and out in the open. So teams like Mizzou can pony up $$$$ and try to compete without fear of a NCAA AX chopping the program up. everytruetiger.org/If your a Tiger fan you can Donate a lump sum to the NIL collective above or pay monthly. You can specify the sport(FOOTBALL should be the focus IMO) or into the general fund. I mean 5$/20$ a month from thousand of Mizzou fans can add up to a lot!! I really hope that Missouri as a whole finally wakes up to the SEC culture and Football becomes a way of life. It's gonna be a process that is for sure as lame Basketball is so huge. Why rural Caucasian kids are so smitten by a Sport they look laughable playing is beyond me!! But it's a free country so if that is what turns their crank go for it. I’m a football guy first but those rural kids have a better shot at getting a scholarship in basketball than they do for football. Bigger colleges aren’t coming to watch a class 1 football game. If they are good at basketball they can play on travel teams in the summer that college coaches attend. Football doesn’t have that luxury. Thayer played a team yesterday in a tournament that had a 6’10 sophomore that already had offers from Florida, Florida State, Illinois and Iowa to name a few. Thayer played with them the whole game and only lost by 6. No way does that happen in football. And personally I would much rather them be dominant in football but if they want school paid for at the next level in rural America than basketball provides the best opportunity. Though I understand where you are coming from, I respectfully disagree. If you are really good enough, you will get noticed. Heck, I have seen OU recruit from 8 man teams. Like, someone else mentioned, lack of competition is the biggest concern with small schools. But that really is a problem in all sports, not just football.
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Post by dew on Nov 28, 2023 12:54:20 GMT -6
Chase Daniel, Jeremy Maclin & Co under Gary Pinkel had an all Class 1 offensive line along with Caruthersville's Jimmy Jackson at RB (can't remember if same year but still....). For a short period, thanks to Mo's Sooners, the Tigers were #1 in the nation till they got beat by Oklahoma in the B12 title game.
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Post by mghs on Nov 28, 2023 16:17:48 GMT -6
GP was different he and Snyder from Kst beat the bushes to find talent outside Metro area. And they found and developed that talent.
That is not the Norm.
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Post by mghs on Nov 28, 2023 16:26:32 GMT -6
I’m a football guy first but those rural kids have a better shot at getting a scholarship in basketball than they do for football. Bigger colleges aren’t coming to watch a class 1 football game. If they are good at basketball they can play on travel teams in the summer that college coaches attend. Football doesn’t have that luxury. Thayer played a team yesterday in a tournament that had a 6’10 sophomore that already had offers from Florida, Florida State, Illinois and Iowa to name a few. Thayer played with them the whole game and only lost by 6. No way does that happen in football. And personally I would much rather them be dominant in football but if they want school paid for at the next level in rural America than basketball provides the best opportunity. Though I understand where you are coming from, I respectfully disagree. If you are really good enough, you will get noticed. Heck, I have seen OU recruit from 8 man teams. Like, someone else mentioned, lack of competition is the biggest concern with small schools. But that really is a problem in all sports, not just football. My opinion comes from Urban Meyer and Barry Alvarez they wanted rural players to come camp with them. They were not interested in film against lesser competition. Come to camp compete against top talent and then we will see about a preferred walk on first and if you happen to get other offers then a scholarship might be forth coming. They are in record talking about this approach. Of course if you are a DGB then of course people notice, I’m not talking about top rated 4* or 5* guys. I’m talking about the Mid- range 3* or low end 4*. Those guys get overlooked in rural area. And a lot of coaches fear wasting a schollie on them. The Neveda kid is a prime example…if he played in StL or KC or Dallas he would have had a Mizzou offer faster!
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Post by mosooner on Nov 28, 2023 22:01:02 GMT -6
I do wonder if MIZZOU really deserves to be #8 though. I have thought the Sooners should be rated ahead of them, but have thought that was just a homer bias until I saw an article tonight on ESPN,, it shows that most every metric that OU is better. Would love to see that game in a Bowl, but it wont happen. That being said, happy for MIZZOU and their fans, its been a great year and a huge improvement.
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Post by mosooner on Nov 28, 2023 22:06:56 GMT -6
Though I understand where you are coming from, I respectfully disagree. If you are really good enough, you will get noticed. Heck, I have seen OU recruit from 8 man teams. Like, someone else mentioned, lack of competition is the biggest concern with small schools. But that really is a problem in all sports, not just football. My opinion comes from Urban Meyer and Barry Alvarez they wanted rural players to come camp with them. They were not interested in film against lesser competition. Come to camp compete against top talent and then we will see about a preferred walk on first and if you happen to get other offers then a scholarship might be forth coming. They are in record talking about this approach. Of course if you are a DGB then of course people notice, I’m not talking about top rated 4* or 5* guys. I’m talking about the Mid- range 3* or low end 4*. Those guys get overlooked in rural area. And a lot of coaches fear wasting a schollie on them. The Neveda kid is a prime example…if he played in StL or KC or Dallas he would have had a Mizzou offer faster! He did play in Kansas City and was already All-State before transferring to Nevada. They knew about him
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Post by mghs on Nov 28, 2023 23:06:23 GMT -6
As I said if he had played in those area's longer he would of got a Mizzou offer Faster.
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Post by mghs on Nov 28, 2023 23:27:34 GMT -6
I do wonder if MIZZOU really deserves to be #8 though. I have thought the Sooners should be rated ahead of them, but have thought that was just a homer bias until I saw an article tonight on ESPN,, it shows that most every metric that OU is better. Would love to see that game in a Bowl, but it wont happen. That being said, happy for MIZZOU and their fans, its been a great year and a huge improvement. OU played in the B12, Mizzou SEC..... I mean OU gave up over 500+ yard to a shabby TCU squad. SP+ has Mizzou ahead of OU as well. A more Accurate indicator than either of the FPI or FEI systems. I'm not saying Mizzou is gonna destroy OU head to head. But to assume that a 2 loss Sooner squad in the B12 is better seems a bit off. Jeez the Sooners lost to freaking KU!!! And a Average Okie st. team. I know OU some how beat Texas in the Red River Shootout rivalry game but outside of that I don't see one legit win on the schedule. Sneaking by UCF and BYU as well seems telling.
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Post by bonehead on Nov 29, 2023 7:45:58 GMT -6
Lets not forget that Mizzou barely got by a bad Middle Tenn team and an average Memphis team.
I think OU and Mizzou would be a great game, too bad it wont happen
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Post by dew on Nov 29, 2023 8:03:29 GMT -6
And at least the Tigers, Sooners, whoever else you all root for haven't let a fox back into the henhouse like Arkansas cough cough.... Guard your daughters especially if they have any interest in motorcycles folks
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