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Post by mosooner on Dec 21, 2023 11:33:14 GMT -6
If, and that is a HUGE if those schools were doing it before.. there was nothing to stop MIZZOU from doing it as well. And if you believe those schools were doing it, surely you have to believe that the Tigers were trying to do it also... I mean come on..
Unless you really believe that the powers cheat and good ole Mizzou and the like always play by the rules...
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Post by mghs on Dec 21, 2023 18:36:28 GMT -6
Yes the NCAA has always had a double standard….my gosh the FBI caught KU cheating and it was a who cares moment by the NCAA ….ND and NC had Bogus educational classes exposed by Sports Illustrated and please move along nothing to See here. I think Jerry Tarkanian said it best …the NCAA got so mad at Kentucky they gave Cleveland state another year of probation!! Look at Cam Newton… they paid his Dad insert eye roll $$$$ but that didn’t count at all as pay for play he is good!! But Ole Miss & Huge Freeze get rung up for trying Same approach hmmm As close as OU ever got to any heat was your QB who had a job at a car dealer got paid and never showed up to do any work and that was quickly hushed up. Look at SMU…. It was Texas and the other Southwest Cheaters who turned them in for doing it better. Do you really believe Norman Okl and the university there would be a destination location if they didn’t throw around oil money to land top flight players. Switzer is on record stating he gave Cash to Billy Sims, and that he covered up criminal charges and the Sheriff was a friend of the program and him personally. Have you ever read Bill Walsh Books? He talks about his time at Stanford and explicitly mentions OU as a mercenary Program who paid players to play and how he took pleasure in beating mercenary programs. If you’re naive enough to believe that OU is a clean program then ok if it helps you sleep at night fine. And the erroneous deflection that all programs did so is pure BS. Some Administration's refused to allow coaches to engage in such actions, other Administration dipped their toe in a effort to compete and quickly found out the Blue Bloods had different rules than others, because blue bloods churned out Money at a high level. Think about this when the NCAA controlled the college football contracts and who made it on network TV on Saturday. Guess what Big 8 schools was on TV every weekend?  OU and Neb. And what ever team they was going to pummel for the masses. The system has always been rigged to a degree….. the NIL ruling has made pay for play palatable to the principles elites and unpublishable by the cucked NCAA. |
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Post by mghs on Dec 21, 2023 18:49:16 GMT -6
Do you really think it was all about $$$$$ and moving to play OT? We have both LT and LG open next year he could end up at either spot, coaches are not in the habit of guaranteeing starting roster spots. We didn't even Guarantee Luther Burden a Slot WR spot his freshman year and he had to play outside. I've seen what OU fans are spewing about how his Dad put him up for bidding and such. Might be some truth to it, and their might be some truth to the fact he was not happy in Norman wanted to be closer to home and around some of his former teammates in CoMo and Mizzou was able to offer that and equal compensation. I get that OU has always operated without NCAA scrutiny and been able to throw $$$$$$ around without peril and other programs had to try and compete with them while toeing the line for fear of sanctions. And now the Genie is out of the bottle and everyone can offer up $$$$$$ to players they want without fear of the NCAA spectre haunting them, so while the field still isn't level because OU/TX etc. have bigger Pockets over all, at least it's not as big a up hill battle as before for a mid-tier program like Mizzou to compete. I think that $$$ had a lot to do with it yes. Do you really think that things are not said in recruiting? By all accounts he was happy at Oklahoma, other than the fact that he was playing guard instead of tackle. As far as dad, I think its pretty easy to see that he was the driving force behind this. It was really weird the way it went down, all of a sudden. Its funny that the word Home is bring brought up, because when is signed with Oklahoma he talked about "coming home" As far as the insinuation that OU was throwing $$$$$ around that was being ignored by the NCAA and others were afraid to try to compete is total crap. Pay for Play is supposed to still be illegal but noone seems to care...... but that is a whole other deal..... Do you really believe Mizzou can out bid OU? I doubt it. And whose accounts are you believing he was happy at OU? Because other accounts say he was very dissatisfied at OU after he arrived. Per his former Teammate .. And the Ohhh he wants to play OT not OG as the reason he is transferring is almost laughable. Positions are rarely promised as that sets up a whole host of issues and problems. As a sophomore stud next year was he not capable of winning the OT spot at OU. We signed J. Richardson a Juco OT 6'7 305 OT who plays the Left Side to fill that role. Maybe Green takes that spot maybe he doesn't. Players leave because of culture, playing time and now Money. He had plenty of $$$$$ and was a Starter with playing time. So he must of been unhappy to some degree to leave. |
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Post by mosooner on Dec 22, 2023 8:52:52 GMT -6
Yes the NCAA has always had a double standard….my gosh the FBI caught KU cheating and it was a who cares moment by the NCAA ….ND and NC had Bogus educational classes exposed by Sports Illustrated and please move along nothing to See here. I think Jerry Tarkanian said it best …the NCAA got so mad at Kentucky they gave Cleveland state another year of probation!! Look at Cam Newton… they paid his Dad insert eye roll $$$$ but that didn’t count at all as pay for play he is good!! But Ole Miss & Huge Freeze get rung up for trying Same approach hmmm As close as OU ever got to any heat was your QB who had a job at a car dealer got paid and never showed up to do any work and that was quickly hushed up. Look at SMU…. It was Texas and the other Southwest Cheaters who turned them in for doing it better. Do you really believe Norman Okl and the university there would be a destination location if they didn’t throw around oil money to land top flight players. Switzer is on record stating he gave Cash to Billy Sims, and that he covered up criminal charges and the Sheriff was a friend of the program and him personally. Have you ever read Bill Walsh Books? He talks about his time at Stanford and explicitly mentions OU as a mercenary Program who paid players to play and how he took pleasure in beating mercenary programs. If you’re naive enough to believe that OU is a clean program then ok if it helps you sleep at night fine. And the erroneous deflection that all programs did so is pure BS. Some Administration's refused to allow coaches to engage in such actions, other Administration dipped their toe in a effort to compete and quickly found out the Blue Bloods had different rules than others, because blue bloods churned out Money at a high level. Think about this when the NCAA controlled the college football contracts and who made it on network TV on Saturday. Guess what Big 8 schools was on TV every weekend? OU and Neb. And what ever team they was going to pummel for the masses. The system has always been rigged to a degree….. the NIL ruling has made pay for play palatable to the principles elites and unpublishable by the cucked NCAA. The 70s and 80s under Switzer was a different time and was the Wild West so to speak... $$$ were being thrown around everywhere, especially in recruiting Texas.... Sooners were punished for their dealings under Switzer and was part of why he was fired, when he was. Do you not believe that tradition and winning more than any team in the modern era does not attract people to Norman?..... Mizzou has had their fair share of troubles in multiple sports and multiple times... You can say that they dont do anything different than anyone else, but they get punished because they are not one of the chosen ones all you want... but in your words, that is pure BS As far as who made it to TV, OU and Neb made it to TV because that is who viewers wanted to see, and not just in their own states. Speaking of TV, all of college football making the TV money it does today is in part to Oklahoma taking the NCAA to court and winning those rights for the schools. and as far as pay for play... it is still not supposed to be allowed. The ruling did not state that... they are supposed to be able to make money for their Name, Image, and Likeness. This thing we have today, is a widespread version of Texas recruiting in the 70's and 80's that was mentioned above. The funny thing about this whole thing, is that I want Mizzou to do well. I will always be a Sooner fan first and foremost but does not mean that I do not want success for the Black and Gold |
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Post by mosooner on Dec 22, 2023 8:59:11 GMT -6
I think that $$$ had a lot to do with it yes. Do you really think that things are not said in recruiting? By all accounts he was happy at Oklahoma, other than the fact that he was playing guard instead of tackle. As far as dad, I think its pretty easy to see that he was the driving force behind this. It was really weird the way it went down, all of a sudden. Its funny that the word Home is bring brought up, because when is signed with Oklahoma he talked about "coming home" As far as the insinuation that OU was throwing $$$$$ around that was being ignored by the NCAA and others were afraid to try to compete is total crap. Pay for Play is supposed to still be illegal but noone seems to care...... but that is a whole other deal..... Do you really believe Mizzou can out bid OU? I doubt it. And whose accounts are you believing he was happy at OU? Because other accounts say he was very dissatisfied at OU after he arrived. Per his former Teammate .. And the Ohhh he wants to play OT not OG as the reason he is transferring is almost laughable. Positions are rarely promised as that sets up a whole host of issues and problems. As a sophomore stud next year was he not capable of winning the OT spot at OU. We signed J. Richardson a Juco OT 6'7 305 OT who plays the Left Side to fill that role. Maybe Green takes that spot maybe he doesn't. Players leave because of culture, playing time and now Money. He had plenty of $$$$$ and was a Starter with playing time. So he must of been unhappy to some degree to leave. His teammates were ALL shocked. Even those that had seen and talked to him that day. He went to the collective TWICE this year asking for more money, and he got what he asked for both times. Dad apparently took the last offer and went shopping his son. According to multiple teammates, when he was spotted cleaning out his room, that night, something he did with absolutely no warning, teammates asked him what he was doing.. and he said "Go ask my dad" I wish him the best and hope he does well, but it is what it is.... |
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Post by dew on Dec 22, 2023 10:27:51 GMT -6
"go ask my dad" will downfall a career really quick no matter how talented or who a kid is playing for. That player has to feel at home and if that isn't happening then his morale and all, despite any money being made, will turn into bad play and a lower rank on the draft boards. Doing something you have a skillset with against your will, and I hope this is not the case, is called a job. Doing something you love is called a career. Unfortunately we are seeing this movie in sports all over anymore. Dad my get rich here but is it really in junior's best interest.
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Post by mghs on Dec 22, 2023 17:02:34 GMT -6
Yes the NCAA has always had a double standard….my gosh the FBI caught KU cheating and it was a who cares moment by the NCAA ….ND and NC had Bogus educational classes exposed by Sports Illustrated and please move along nothing to See here. I think Jerry Tarkanian said it best …the NCAA got so mad at Kentucky they gave Cleveland state another year of probation!! Look at Cam Newton… they paid his Dad insert eye roll $$$$ but that didn’t count at all as pay for play he is good!! But Ole Miss & Huge Freeze get rung up for trying Same approach hmmm As close as OU ever got to any heat was your QB who had a job at a car dealer got paid and never showed up to do any work and that was quickly hushed up. Look at SMU…. It was Texas and the other Southwest Cheaters who turned them in for doing it better. Do you really believe Norman Okl and the university there would be a destination location if they didn’t throw around oil money to land top flight players. Switzer is on record stating he gave Cash to Billy Sims, and that he covered up criminal charges and the Sheriff was a friend of the program and him personally. Have you ever read Bill Walsh Books? He talks about his time at Stanford and explicitly mentions OU as a mercenary Program who paid players to play and how he took pleasure in beating mercenary programs. If you’re naive enough to believe that OU is a clean program then ok if it helps you sleep at night fine. And the erroneous deflection that all programs did so is pure BS. Some Administration's refused to allow coaches to engage in such actions, other Administration dipped their toe in a effort to compete and quickly found out the Blue Bloods had different rules than others, because blue bloods churned out Money at a high level. Think about this when the NCAA controlled the college football contracts and who made it on network TV on Saturday. Guess what Big 8 schools was on TV every weekend? OU and Neb. And what ever team they was going to pummel for the masses. The system has always been rigged to a degree….. the NIL ruling has made pay for play palatable to the principles elites and unpublishable by the cucked NCAA. The 70s and 80s under Switzer was a different time and was the Wild West so to speak... $$$ were being thrown around everywhere, especially in recruiting Texas.... Sooners were punished for their dealings under Switzer and was part of why he was fired, when he was. Do you not believe that tradition and winning more than any team in the modern era does not attract people to Norman?..... Mizzou has had their fair share of troubles in multiple sports and multiple times... You can say that they dont do anything different than anyone else, but they get punished because they are not one of the chosen ones all you want... but in your words, that is pure BS As far as who made it to TV, OU and Neb made it to TV because that is who viewers wanted to see, and not just in their own states. Speaking of TV, all of college football making the TV money it does today is in part to Oklahoma taking the NCAA to court and winning those rights for the schools. and as far as pay for play... it is still not supposed to be allowed. The ruling did not state that... they are supposed to be able to make money for their Name, Image, and Likeness. This thing we have today, is a widespread version of Texas recruiting in the 70's and 80's that was mentioned above. The funny thing about this whole thing, is that I want Mizzou to do well. I will always be a Sooner fan first and foremost but does not mean that I do not want success for the Black and Gold The uneven hand of the NCAA in punishment is obvious and well documented. And yes Mizzou got rung up for buying a Plane ticket home for a player when his grandma died and had to vacate wins. If that isn’t Exhibit A for how things work I don’t know what to tell you. Funny thing is I Don’t care that OU cheated and paid money and gifts to maintain their Blue Blood status. I’m jealous and envious that OU understood how to build and elite program!! And we didn’t or wouldn’t ! I’m pizzed at Mizzou for being idiots in the 60:70:80:90 and not joint the Reindeer games and trying to actually compete in the open market. Its was pure dumbfudgery on the Administration, alumni and state as a whole. We never stood tall like OU:KU:NU: versus the NCAA, we just rolled over and took the punishments. That is 100% on us no doubt. Like I said I don’t begrudge OU skulldugery, I just don’t like the BS OU fans crying foul now that it’s legal for other programs through 3rd parties to offer NIL benefits to top flight players and acquire them without fear of NCAA sanctions. I get it that it now sucks that everyone is playing by similar rules. And OU and Other programs of elite status are having to deal with Top flight players leaving them and going else where as opposed to those Blue Bloods setting back and just cherry picking actual players who are contributors from the non-blue bloods. And yes OU and others sued for their tv rights, but you do understand that the NCAA by never promoting some programs made it a self fulfilling prophecy that their fan bases didnt grow because of lack of exposure. |
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OU and Neb. And what ever team they was going to pummel for the masses. 
